1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sell?
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1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sell?
OK as some of you may nkow i had a "litle oops"
Short story;
Trailor brakes failed, jackknifed and my van ended on its side.
then the tow truck managed to launch the trailor into my van wile still on the side, damaged the propshafts,and then thy reversed into my van at there yard...................... :evil: Will have a litle chat with them next week.
If you are interested in any spares please send me a PM.
My hart says Fix, my head say spares as it will never be the same again :alvarin:
More pix coming
Short story;
Trailor brakes failed, jackknifed and my van ended on its side.
then the tow truck managed to launch the trailor into my van wile still on the side, damaged the propshafts,and then thy reversed into my van at there yard...................... :evil: Will have a litle chat with them next week.
If you are interested in any spares please send me a PM.
My hart says Fix, my head say spares as it will never be the same again :alvarin:
More pix coming
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
hi i am looking at the bumper and the dash board...
aprox price?
aprox price?
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Chris PM sent
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Hey George
Watse tyres het jy op?
Stel dalk belang in die Mags en Tyres.
Watse tyres het jy op?
Stel dalk belang in die Mags en Tyres.
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Ai George!! :shifty:
Dit lyk nie so goed soos wat ek oorspronklik gedink het nie.
Dis n erge jammerte, Die wyse manne moet maar raad gee hier, eks te sentimenteel, en sal sê maak hom reg. "Rather keep(fix) the devil you know, than the devil you don't!"
Twee vragies:
- Die rims/mags waarmee jy hom gekoop het, het jy dit nog? (Daai aliminium gestud'e mags)
- Is jou Custom agterklap te koop?
Sterkte my maat!
Dit lyk nie so goed soos wat ek oorspronklik gedink het nie.
Dis n erge jammerte, Die wyse manne moet maar raad gee hier, eks te sentimenteel, en sal sê maak hom reg. "Rather keep(fix) the devil you know, than the devil you don't!"
Twee vragies:
- Die rims/mags waarmee jy hom gekoop het, het jy dit nog? (Daai aliminium gestud'e mags)
- Is jou Custom agterklap te koop?
Sterkte my maat!
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Ai jammer om dit te sien
As die chassis nog mooi is en daar is nie teveel meg. skade aan jou diffs ens nie, maak hom reg.
Ek sou self belang stel in 'n paar spares as jy besluit om te strip.
As die chassis nog mooi is en daar is nie teveel meg. skade aan jou diffs ens nie, maak hom reg.
Ek sou self belang stel in 'n paar spares as jy besluit om te strip.
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Cobus Zak
Dis die STD mags soos ek hom gekoop het
Standard LTD mags 7 van hulle
Tyres is Cooper STT met 16000km op
Stef laat weet asb waarna jy soek?
Dis die STD mags soos ek hom gekoop het
Standard LTD mags 7 van hulle
Tyres is Cooper STT met 16000km op
Stef laat weet asb waarna jy soek?
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[- Is jou Custom agterklap te koop?
NEE sorry maater
NEE sorry maater
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
EISH George!!!!! Sorry to hear it.
Hope you're OK man.
I say fix it (those scratches will buff out easily jong).
Dou you still have the EFI bits you were collecting?
Hope you're OK man.
I say fix it (those scratches will buff out easily jong).
Dou you still have the EFI bits you were collecting?
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Daai is nie baie skade nie. Maak eerder reg!
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
The EFI bits will wait in my garage for my next SFA.zepplin wrote:EISH George!!!!! Sorry to hear it.
Hope you're OK man.
I say fix it (those scratches will buff out easily jong).
Dou you still have the EFI bits you were collecting?
But if i do sell itLouis has first option.
First quote R61500.00
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Solank die chassis nie gebuig is nie, maak hom reg...
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
My feeling is that it looks a lot worse than it actually is. A new fender, two new door skins and a fair amount of bodywork (A-pillar, C-pillar, side of roof and rear panel), as well as some glass replacement .... the integrated bumper could also be salvaged IMO.
The issue is how much can you do yourself, otherwise if it's all farmed out to professionals, the balance of value tips in favour of stripping. Perhaps you can get someone to do the bodywork up to the u/coat stage and you take it from there. You can also save a little if you do the necessary stripping in advance.
The issue is how much can you do yourself, otherwise if it's all farmed out to professionals, the balance of value tips in favour of stripping. Perhaps you can get someone to do the bodywork up to the u/coat stage and you take it from there. You can also save a little if you do the necessary stripping in advance.
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Ek sê ook maak reg.
Watse diff het hy agter in?
Watse diff het hy agter in?
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
George, besluit maar eers wat jy gaan doen en vat dit van daar af Ek dink nog steeds jy sal goedkoper wegkom as R60k as jy self fix....GeorgeJvR wrote:Stef laat weet asb waarna jy soek?
Sal dalk 3 van die mags wil vat as die ander ouens nie al 7 vat nie, original stuurwiel, mudguards, deurhandles , winders ens....eintlik maar die kosmetiese goedjies om te hou vir spaar. Die ander goed is klaar ge-ai
Cas, LTD het die gearmax local diff sonder die drain plug
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Stef wrote:George, besluit maar eers wat jy gaan doen en vat dit van daar af Ek dink nog steeds jy sal goedkoper wegkom as R60k as jy self fix....GeorgeJvR wrote:Stef laat weet asb waarna jy soek?
Sal dalk 3 van die mags wil vat as die ander ouens nie al 7 vat nie, original stuurwiel, mudguards, deurhandles , winders ens....eintlik maar die kosmetiese goedjies om te hou vir spaar. Die ander goed is klaar ge-ai
Cas, LTD het die gearmax local diff sonder die drain plug
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Korek Stef
ek sal seke volgende week die ander twee kwotasies kry.
Ek moet sê die een van R61 000 is 'n "Panel shop"
hulle replace net, repair nie.
ek sal seke volgende week die ander twee kwotasies kry.
Ek moet sê die een van R61 000 is 'n "Panel shop"
hulle replace net, repair nie.
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Jou grootste uitgawe gaan 'n ander kajuit wees...die fenders en deure is maklik bekombaar. Die loadbin kan nog gered word dink ek...
Wat sê jou assuransie? Die boek waarde is so om en by R66k; sal hulle nog reg maak vir R61k? Sal 'n bargain wees as hulle afskryf en jy kan hom hou
Wat sê jou assuransie? Die boek waarde is so om en by R66k; sal hulle nog reg maak vir R61k? Sal 'n bargain wees as hulle afskryf en jy kan hom hou
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Ek het hom klaar by die versekering terug gekoopStef wrote:Jou grootste uitgawe gaan 'n ander kajuit wees...die fenders en deure is maklik bekombaar. Die loadbin kan nog gered word dink ek...
Wat sê jou assuransie? Die boek waarde is so om en by R66k; sal hulle nog reg maak vir R61k? Sal 'n bargain wees as hulle afskryf en jy kan hom hou
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
I'M with Mud Dog on this...Mud Dog wrote:My feeling is that it looks a lot worse than it actually is. A new fender, two new door skins and a fair amount of bodywork (A-pillar, C-pillar, side of roof and rear panel), as well as some glass replacement .... the integrated bumper could also be salvaged IMO.
The issue is how much can you do yourself, otherwise if it's all farmed out to professionals, the balance of value tips in favour of stripping. Perhaps you can get someone to do the bodywork up to the u/coat stage and you take it from there. You can also save a little if you do the necessary stripping in advance.
Fix it. did you see what mine looked like???
get it mechanically sound and repair the panels as you go as the bucks become available and then when all panels are sorted get it in for some paint and... voila! a new Ltd
but then again, your bumper would look nice on Rokarok
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I've still got a soft spot for the LTD.
This looks very sad - I cast my vote to repair it rather....!!
Good luck with your decision either way, George.
This looks very sad - I cast my vote to repair it rather....!!
Good luck with your decision either way, George.
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
No-one had cast a vote on your poll, so I added another option - "Repair and keep"! See if anyone prefers that option.
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Good thinking there Andy!Mud Dog wrote:No-one had cast a vote on your poll, so I added another option - "Repair and keep"! See if anyone prefers that option.
OK, seen as though my last vote was wiped off the records - I will cast my vote again... Repair and Keep.
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Ek soek die speedo cluster as die naalde nog mooi oranje is asb.
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bring hom , dan bou ons jou n formula toy 4 seater dit klink mos reg of hoe George ..........ek weet jy soek een
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maak hpm reg, Jy kandie hele cab en als vir goed koop kry as jy net bietjie shop.
So ja hou hom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So ja hou hom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HOU HOM, maak hom reg van onder af en jy weet wat jy het as hy klaar is of verkoop hom ,koop n ander bakkie soos bv n vigo ens en jy gaan vir ewig spyt wees oor jou ltd
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gert-redelinghuys wrote:bring hom , dan bou ons jou n formula toy 4 seater dit klink mos reg of hoe George ..........ek weet jy soek een
Sponsor julle???????
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price for the hole majang?
Grensvegter van LANDROVIA
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Thanks Blom but it wont be worth it for you.
If you want to make an offer send me a PM
If you want to make an offer send me a PM
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GeorgeJvR wrote:gert-redelinghuys wrote:bring hom , dan bou ons jou n formula toy 4 seater dit klink mos reg of hoe George ..........ek weet jy soek een
Sponsor julle???????
Vikoop jou huis kom bou n shack opi plaas en MAAK HM ReG!
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Hel george jou broer is toe nie so stupid soos hy lyk nie , vertel hom nardusNardusJVR wrote:GeorgeJvR wrote:gert-redelinghuys wrote:bring hom , dan bou ons jou n formula toy 4 seater dit klink mos reg of hoe George ..........ek weet jy soek een
Sponsor julle???????
Vikoop jou huis kom bou n shack opi plaas en MAAK HM ReG!
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Nog 'n kwotasie vandag gekry
R67 000.00
R67 000.00
To Buy and sell a vehicle is my hobby
Make a deal that no one else thought possible is my aim
Kom wat wil ek bly 'n Bul!
Make a deal that no one else thought possible is my aim
Kom wat wil ek bly 'n Bul!
- GeorgeJvR
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
seems like the deal is leaning to the strip and sell rought
It will be a very sad time indeed.......... but i'm sure a SFA toy will help the healing
One week till desision time
It will be a very sad time indeed.......... but i'm sure a SFA toy will help the healing
One week till desision time
To Buy and sell a vehicle is my hobby
Make a deal that no one else thought possible is my aim
Kom wat wil ek bly 'n Bul!
Make a deal that no one else thought possible is my aim
Kom wat wil ek bly 'n Bul!
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Glad nie lekker nie. Sterkte George.GeorgeJvR wrote:seems like the deal is leaning to the strip and sell rought
It will be a very sad time indeed .......... but i'm sure a SFA toy will help the healing
One week till desision time
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
My vote: repair and keep.
If not, I'll PM you my requirements for spares.
If not, I'll PM you my requirements for spares.
- GeorgeJvR
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Whell this is a sad day indeed
I'm gona strip...........
I'm gona strip...........
To Buy and sell a vehicle is my hobby
Make a deal that no one else thought possible is my aim
Kom wat wil ek bly 'n Bul!
Make a deal that no one else thought possible is my aim
Kom wat wil ek bly 'n Bul!
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
Eina George.......
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
George, you're really not going to want to hear what I have to say, but...
I spoke to a fellow member who has not been too active here lately and I saw photos of his SFA that had rolled during an event. The roof was badly V-shaped and the vehicle suffered extensive damage on the left side. Quotes varied from about R50k - R60k to repair. But then he found an old-time Panel Beater (as opposed to a "Panel Replacer" in Heidelberg who examined the vehicle and made a price for all panel beating, for replacing the windscreen and all broken glass on the left side and a total respray, for the measly sum of R15,000. I also saw pics of the progress and where the B-pillar had suffered extensive damage on the left side due to the roof buckiling, it now looks perfect. He removed the roof panel and elected to panel beat it instead of replacing it. The vehicle is almost finished and the owner has promised to post before & after pics here as soon as he gets it back.
-F_D
I spoke to a fellow member who has not been too active here lately and I saw photos of his SFA that had rolled during an event. The roof was badly V-shaped and the vehicle suffered extensive damage on the left side. Quotes varied from about R50k - R60k to repair. But then he found an old-time Panel Beater (as opposed to a "Panel Replacer" in Heidelberg who examined the vehicle and made a price for all panel beating, for replacing the windscreen and all broken glass on the left side and a total respray, for the measly sum of R15,000. I also saw pics of the progress and where the B-pillar had suffered extensive damage on the left side due to the roof buckiling, it now looks perfect. He removed the roof panel and elected to panel beat it instead of replacing it. The vehicle is almost finished and the owner has promised to post before & after pics here as soon as he gets it back.
-F_D
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- Rebel 4x4
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Re: 1998 SFA LTD D/C Strip and sell spares or repair and sel
The problem with mentioned above, is that after 4 years those areas of repair, tend to fade and crackling of paint start to happen. My friend who bought such a vehicle that landed on side, took it to 3 4x4 trails, and after the first trail, without heavy flexing of the body, the body putty gave way in some areas. Where the roof joined the A and B pillar, a 0.5mm crack developed all over again.
It's just a mere observation, and would not personally do it if it was me, unless you sell it again, but, in hind sight. You have to mention the repairs to the new owner, and he would probably squash the price down or will forfeit the deal.
Stripping the vehicle like George is doing, is probably the best scenario, bare in mind, he probably bought it back from insurance at a good price and is a nice "once off" bussiness venture - nice money are always made like that, especially on a legend like a SFA!
It's just a mere observation, and would not personally do it if it was me, unless you sell it again, but, in hind sight. You have to mention the repairs to the new owner, and he would probably squash the price down or will forfeit the deal.
Stripping the vehicle like George is doing, is probably the best scenario, bare in mind, he probably bought it back from insurance at a good price and is a nice "once off" bussiness venture - nice money are always made like that, especially on a legend like a SFA!