brakes

[lukestrugnell]

Hi guys

My lux's brakes feel slightly soft and the handbrake doesnt hold (its not the cable)
It is not a fluid leak and the booster seems to be working hundreds.

What else would cause this?

Im gonna check the pads and shoes this weekend, if its just that then fine otherwise I may fork out and have the brakes serviced at a professional.

Anyone know a good place in Northern Limpopo, i.e. Polokwane, Ellisras, Messina, etc?

Thanks

[BenHur]

Luke

I mailed your workshop manual today. It has a whole section on the brakes. If I export the brakes section only it is 55 pages @ 2.87meg. I can email it to you in the meanwhile.

If I were you I would start by removing the rear disk and checking that everything inside there is clean and in working order. These drums tend to pick up garbage like mud if we drive off-road. If everything there is in working condition try adjusting the brake linings so that they bind properly when you apply the brakes.

If they are adjusted properly and the handbrake cable is adjusted it should work at least. Just remember these Hiluxes are known to have better handbrakes in the forward direction then in reverse. So park it with the nose facing downwards if possible.

One thing to check is that the clearances of the drums and shoes are within limits as per workshop manual. Sometimes people skimmed the drums and if you replace the rear shoes with standard ones they are too small. If the drum was skimmed it is best to have brake shoes made up by these "Brake and Clutch" people with enough compound on to compensate for the clearance deviations of the drum i.e the shoes must be matched to the drum size.

If after you services and adjusted the rear brakes the the systems does still not work well try replacing all the brakefluid from front to rear by bleeding the system out with new brake fluid.

[Sifu-Lux]

From a website I was once at, can't remember where though:

This is the proper way to bleed your brakes to avoid spongy brakes, etc...

Originally posted by Opp's
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"...This is from the FSM and it works great..."

1. Drivers side rear
2. Passenger side rear
3. Passenger side front
4. Drivers side front (Not sure if this was for a left or right hand drive though)
5. LSPV (Load sensing proportioning valve)
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[SYRON CONVERSIONS]

From a website I was once at, can't remember where though:

This is the proper way to bleed your brakes to avoid spongy brakes, etc...

Originally posted by Opp's
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"...This is from the FSM and it works great..."

1. Drivers side rear
2. Passenger side rear
3. Passenger side front
4. Drivers side front (Not sure if this was for a left or right hand drive though)
5. LSPV (Load sensing proportioning valve)
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Got to disagree with you concerning where a person starts to bleed the brake system, but first of all this will be determined if the vehicle concerned is a right or left hand drive, if it is a right hand drive, you must start at the left rear wheel, then the right rear then left front and end at the right front.

Maybe where you got the info is from a site that has left hand drive vehicles and thus then you would start at the right rear.

Never bleed the valve.

[BenHur]

On any vehicle you should start with the furthest point 1st and in the case of a Hilux it is like "Simon says" (PUN Intended) it is left rear.

[Cookie Monster]

Why not bleed the valve Simon

[lukestrugnell]

Thanks guys and Thanks Bennie for mailing that.

If you wouldnt mind sending me the brakes section in the meantime that will be great.
Could you email direct to me on: luke (at) dewildt.org.za

I will do as you suggest.
Cheers
Luke

[lukestrugnell]

Ok so have the handbrake semi-working :>
I adjusted the rear shoes and the cable adjuster underneath! Unfortunately I managed to snap off the bolt but have made a plan to keep it working till I an find a new part!

The handbrake now works on a slight downhill but not a steep one. Will remove the back wheels and adjust further this weekend and hope that solves it!

At least the rock can now go from behind the wheel :>

[BenHur]

Luke

What I found works well is to adjust the brakes up until you feel them biting but can still turn the wheel by hand. It will bite a little for a few kms but the wheels will soon become loose again. Have you checked the clearances to ensure the linings are large enough for the drums?

[lukestrugnell]

Hi Bennie
Ya the linings seem ok.
I will adjust further this weekend and do as you reccomend thanks

[Henry]

Luke
From what I can understand the probable cause of this poor braking can be that the linings and brakepads are glazed. This normally happens when the pads and linings are old and they get very hard with a kind of glazed skin on them. I had the same problem with one of my trucks. The vehicle did not want to brake properly althoughthe linings were still in a good state. The vehicle was then relined and the problem solved. Maybe wise to skim the drums slightly. Linings do have the tendancy to underperform when they are contaminated with oil or brakefluid. Even if you clean them properly.

[Bullet]

I would like to repeat Justin's question
Why not bleed the valve Simon ?

[Cedric]

I read somewhere on this forum that this is an inherant problem with the (SFA?) Hiluxes ( older ones mostly, at a guess) & most of us seem to accept that not much can be done. The answer is to carry a brick with you in the back

[DOELLOOS]

huh? a brick?

explain please...

I are a bit slow...

[BenHur]

'n baksteen of groot klip om voor jou wiel te gooi 8) 8)

[Family_Dog]

huh? a brick?

explain please...

I are a bit slow...

Spoken like a true lue ull.... you use the brick to throw at the lue ulle, of course...


--F_D (F_B_D????)

[Niel]

Eric, it make me think of the Vodacom add with the girl throwing the orange at the player

[DOELLOOS]

Silence....I kill you!!

[naasburger]

Hi guys

I'm new here but had the same problem with my rear brakes.

I put new drums and linings and still had the spongy feel and the hand brake not working properly. Took it to a local car expert working from home (also a hilux owner), and he told me that the new linings need to be profile cut according to drum to make sure the shoe catches on the drum with the entire shoe surface. Weather a new or old drum, relining old shoes never fit as good as the ones the vehicle came out with.

After mime was profiled according to the drums, and adjusted properly, my handbrake works like a dream, and the brakes arent spongy anymore.

Hope this helps.