Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
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Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
This guy in Toy was being recovered by the Range Rover and knob on Rover towbar broke loose flying through air , through Toy window, landing on Toy backseat.
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Is seker 'n Bosal Towbar!
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
Snatching vehicles :!:
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I maintain snatching a vehicle is for people who tries to prove some kind of " Machoness",
To snatch any vehicle is looking for trouble. I saw with my own eyes where a Isuzu snatched a 110 Tdi with a 2meter slack in the rope and the Tdi's front recovery hook's bolts (not the ball) was sheared off completely The L/R'S R/Hook with shackles, snatch rope and all went through the rear canopy window of the Isuzu, both the double Cab rear windows(Canopy and LDV window- 3 panes of glass)) and landed on the handbrake, missing the left side head rest with mm's. Fortunately no-one was sitting on the left rear seat of the Isuzu otherwise another fatal accident was bound to happen.
I always say, use a strong sling (15 - 20 Ton) , hook two of the strongest vehicles available and pull the stricken vehicle out of its predicament with small jerks if need be, finish and klaar !!
NO SNATCHING, SOMETHING HAS TO BREAK !! VEHICLES WER'NT BUILT TO BE SNATCHED !! YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE !!
IT CAN AND WILL KILL YOU IF YOU'RE HIT WITH THAT MISSILE.
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I maintain snatching a vehicle is for people who tries to prove some kind of " Machoness",
To snatch any vehicle is looking for trouble. I saw with my own eyes where a Isuzu snatched a 110 Tdi with a 2meter slack in the rope and the Tdi's front recovery hook's bolts (not the ball) was sheared off completely The L/R'S R/Hook with shackles, snatch rope and all went through the rear canopy window of the Isuzu, both the double Cab rear windows(Canopy and LDV window- 3 panes of glass)) and landed on the handbrake, missing the left side head rest with mm's. Fortunately no-one was sitting on the left rear seat of the Isuzu otherwise another fatal accident was bound to happen.
I always say, use a strong sling (15 - 20 Ton) , hook two of the strongest vehicles available and pull the stricken vehicle out of its predicament with small jerks if need be, finish and klaar !!
NO SNATCHING, SOMETHING HAS TO BREAK !! VEHICLES WER'NT BUILT TO BE SNATCHED !! YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE !!
IT CAN AND WILL KILL YOU IF YOU'RE HIT WITH THAT MISSILE.
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
I would like to suggest that you use 2 x nylon ropes +/- half the length of the snatch rope and tie the one end to the vehicle and the other end to the snatch rope loop.
If one of the ends detach from the vehicle the rope should prevent the projectile from hitting the other vehicle.
And any comment? :? :? :? :?
If one of the ends detach from the vehicle the rope should prevent the projectile from hitting the other vehicle.
And any comment? :? :? :? :?
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There is nothing wrong with snatching. It is a 100% safe system to recover a vehicle. I can stop my vehicle against yours, acellerate 2nd gear with a lot of momentum with no problem
On the pics posted:
1 look at the booze bottles lying around
2 the towball was welded [splattered on]
3 the event was not co-ordinated
4 no safety bridals was used
the right way
Use rated shackles and a proper kinetic rope
use safety bridals
get a coordinator
do not drink
move people from the scene
only use proper recovery points, never the towball, even the pintal type
I have NEVER had an incident with a snatch rope, never, and I use it a lot cos my friends has toyotas
OH YES YOU CAN PURCHASE ALL THAT STUFF FROM CASSIE FOR SAFE RECOVERIES!!
On the pics posted:
1 look at the booze bottles lying around
2 the towball was welded [splattered on]
3 the event was not co-ordinated
4 no safety bridals was used
the right way
Use rated shackles and a proper kinetic rope
use safety bridals
get a coordinator
do not drink
move people from the scene
only use proper recovery points, never the towball, even the pintal type
I have NEVER had an incident with a snatch rope, never, and I use it a lot cos my friends has toyotas
OH YES YOU CAN PURCHASE ALL THAT STUFF FROM CASSIE FOR SAFE RECOVERIES!!
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
....now that's not very funny Herman!!!and I use it a lot cos my friends has toyotas
I would agree . I would rather snatch than winch, although not always possible
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Lyk nie soos Hilux wat vassit......so punt is - indien dit Hilux was sou niemand nodig gewees het om uit te sleep.....
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Herman, we take it to mean that YOU use it often, and your friends with Toyotas are the ones that help you out!I have NEVER had an incident with a snatch rope, never, and I use it a lot cos my friends has toyotas
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Talking about Cassie's ropes, did you guys see I added his link to the shop page, see http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/shop/
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
Old topic, but how the F can you weld a tow bar onto a bumper? The yota guy should have been pulled out backwards not forward into that wall of mud.
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
Hi guys;
The problem is there are many guys who does not have the knowledge or experience regarding recovery points and recovery techniques. Some were tought wrong methods by some cowboys and some dont use common sense.
Any recovery technique not implemented safely and in the correct manner can end badly.
I can only agree with the points Engel made. Follow these and all should go well :)
Cheers
Simon
The problem is there are many guys who does not have the knowledge or experience regarding recovery points and recovery techniques. Some were tought wrong methods by some cowboys and some dont use common sense.
Any recovery technique not implemented safely and in the correct manner can end badly.
I can only agree with the points Engel made. Follow these and all should go well :)
Cheers
Simon
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
hulle weet seker nie van recovery points nie of die landy het geen. :shifty:
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
Was wondering when this topic would come up again....
Just a few points of interest.
The person in the Rangerover was asked to leave the premises before all this happened as he was rude and intoxicated.
The persons in the toyota was just as intoxicated and as far as I remember (and I might be mistaken) they did not want to be recovered by the official recovery guy (some singleminded folks out there :evil: )
The people were asked to move back- by the recovery guy- but the same principle - why should we listen to a black man???? Most of the organisers were busy at another place where some idiot wit ha softroader thought he could go through....
And yes...lots of lessons were learned that day.
But yes- I agree- this was not the way to go- but both parties were equally in the wrong.
But I do not want to get into an argument over this- it is in the past, water have gone under the bridge, that venue is closed down, the group has split up...so ja...Karma is a female dog...
Just a few points of interest.
The person in the Rangerover was asked to leave the premises before all this happened as he was rude and intoxicated.
The persons in the toyota was just as intoxicated and as far as I remember (and I might be mistaken) they did not want to be recovered by the official recovery guy (some singleminded folks out there :evil: )
The people were asked to move back- by the recovery guy- but the same principle - why should we listen to a black man???? Most of the organisers were busy at another place where some idiot wit ha softroader thought he could go through....
And yes...lots of lessons were learned that day.
But yes- I agree- this was not the way to go- but both parties were equally in the wrong.
But I do not want to get into an argument over this- it is in the past, water have gone under the bridge, that venue is closed down, the group has split up...so ja...Karma is a female dog...
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I was severely stuck [dont know how to post pics here] and so was a few other guys where we could not be moved and the snathropes saved the day [about 15 times]
and before you computer operator toyota drivers get excited it was where toyotas dont dare to tread
and before you computer operator toyota drivers get excited it was where toyotas dont dare to tread
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and before you computer operator toyota drivers get excited it was where toyotas dont dare to tread
....ek het nog nooit van so plek gehoor nie
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
m2cw
I have recovered and have been recovered many times, see recovery hooks break off, bolts ripped out of the chassis, tow bars bent beyond repair, snatch straps break etc.
I agree with mammabeer, and most of you guys.
I follow a few tried and tested(by myself ) rules:
A recovery is only as strong a its weakest point(welded on tow ball in this case),
As far as possible always recover from the direction the stuck vehicle came(not always possible),
Recover with an open bonnet if from front,
No passengers in vehicle when attempting recovery,
and finally, most important (to me)
adrenaline and alcohol do not mix without disaster, injury and or humiliation
As the Stuyvesant add always said "Satisfaction after action"
I have recovered and have been recovered many times, see recovery hooks break off, bolts ripped out of the chassis, tow bars bent beyond repair, snatch straps break etc.
I agree with mammabeer, and most of you guys.
I follow a few tried and tested(by myself ) rules:
A recovery is only as strong a its weakest point(welded on tow ball in this case),
As far as possible always recover from the direction the stuck vehicle came(not always possible),
Recover with an open bonnet if from front,
No passengers in vehicle when attempting recovery,
and finally, most important (to me)
adrenaline and alcohol do not mix without disaster, injury and or humiliation
As the Stuyvesant add always said "Satisfaction after action"
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I find the booze thing is almost always the problem. Another vehicles recovery point broke off sunday but I had a safety bridal that caught it.
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
so is there any topics to show us were to recover from when i goto tow some 4y out
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Use suitable recovery points that have been specifically installed for this ... they will almost always be attached directly to the chassis, and if not, should at least be braced to the chassis. Also examine the mounting bolts of such recovery points that they are both adequate in size, number and that they are rated bolts. If there are no suitable recovery points one can make use of chassis cross-members but make sure that they are not likely to 'cut' the rope / strap with any sharp or acute edges .... they can be wrapped with some form of padding before attaching the rope. An SFA gives you the option of using the axle, but attach the rope to the sides, close to the u-bolts and not in the centre (axles can be bent).
A little forethought and common sense goes a long way to prevent mishaps.
A little forethought and common sense goes a long way to prevent mishaps.
When your road comes to an end ...... you need a HILUX!.
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers ... what you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Don't take life too seriously ..... no-one gets out alive.
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And be yourself ..... everyone else is taken!
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers ... what you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Don't take life too seriously ..... no-one gets out alive.
It's not about waiting for storms to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain.
And be yourself ..... everyone else is taken!
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
Mud Dog wrote:Use suitable recovery points that have been specifically installed for this ... they will almost always be attached directly to the chassis, and if not, should at least be braced to the chassis. Also examine the mounting bolts of such recovery points that they are both adequate in size, number and that they are rated bolts. If there are no suitable recovery points one can make use of chassis cross-members but make sure that they are not likely to 'cut' the rope / strap with any sharp or acute edges .... they can be wrapped with some form of padding before attaching the rope. An SFA gives you the option of using the axle, but attach the rope to the sides, close to the u-bolts and not in the centre (axles can be bent).
A little forethought and common sense goes a long way to prevent mishaps.
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Franco, even if you always consider safety first you may not always see every potential pitfall of your actions, but by being safety concious you stand a better chance of avoiding the ones you haven't thought of.
Go safe!
When your road comes to an end ...... you need a HILUX!.
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers ... what you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Don't take life too seriously ..... no-one gets out alive.
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And be yourself ..... everyone else is taken!
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Don't take life too seriously ..... no-one gets out alive.
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And be yourself ..... everyone else is taken!
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
thanks Mud DogMud Dog wrote:
Franco, even if you always consider safety first you may not always see every potential pitfall of your actions, but by being safety concious you stand a better chance of avoiding the ones you haven't thought of.
Go safe!
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Engel wrote:There is nothing wrong with snatching. It is a 100% safe system to recover a vehicle. I can stop my vehicle against yours, acellerate 2nd gear with a lot of momentum with no problem
On the pics posted:
1 look at the booze bottles lying around
2 the towball was welded [splattered on]
3 the event was not co-ordinated
4 no safety bridals was used
the right way
Use rated shackles and a proper kinetic rope
use safety bridals
get a coordinator
do not drink
move people from the scene
only use proper recovery points, never the towball, even the pintal type
I have NEVER had an incident with a snatch rope, never, and I use it a lot cos my friends has toyotas
OH YES YOU CAN PURCHASE ALL THAT STUFF FROM CASSIE FOR SAFE RECOVERIES!!
Friends has TOYOTAS .............
Everything keeps going right Toyota
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Re: Here's why not to recover using towbar !!
And please guys, the back diff is not a recovery point. Seriously, I have seen this done before.