Fuel price INCREASE - Ou vrouenes met nat broeke fred

SuidWes · Post by **SuidWes** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:47 pm

April increase

Petrol 66 cents
Diesel 130 cents

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:52 pm

Chuck Me Farlie!!

ToyX4 · Post by **ToyX4** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:53 pm

Deur die ore, Thys.

Eina! Dit gaan seer wees. My generator gebruik so 10 liter diesel per uur, en van volgende week af gaan ons elke tweede dag vir 3 tot 6 ure load shedding he.
Eina, dit gaan seer maak :x

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:15 pm

Ons mag seker nie lelik praat hier nie maar dinges dit raak belaglik en dis nog nie eens winter nie (dis mos wanneer olie produksie minder is) George waar is daai bio diesel plant van jou

SuidWes · Post by **SuidWes** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:26 pm

Dis rof ja, in April 98â€™ het ons min of meer R1.71 vir â€˜n liter diesel en R2.11 vir â€˜n liter petrol betaalâ€¦ :evil: :evil:

Doctor V · Post by **Doctor V** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:28 pm

Ouens julle luister nie na my Scooter raad nie. Imagine hoe gaan Neil se hare lyk met "Helmet Head"?

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:45 pm

Doctor V wrote:Imagine hoe gaan Neil se hare lyk met "Helmet Head"?

dis genoeg dat daar alreeds een ou is met n helmet head en Bad haircut 8)

Niel jy moet daai keybord van jou nou laat check ou oet

teepee · Post by **teepee** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:24 pm

what is the price of diesel and petrol now in rsa now then?

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:41 pm

Diesel = R 8.54 but I found one that still sell at R 8.15 per litre The price of diesel was not fixed by goverment so they can sell at lower prices.

dalkill · Post by **dalkill** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:52 am

SO what is the viability of bio-diesel or gas. These seems be more appealing each month.

One thing about bio-diesel I heard it's dirty and f's up your engine. This was however on the news from some petrol company so I'm guessing it baised.

Gas I heard on car torque last night gives the same power, but takes up alot of boot space. Surely that not a prob with a bakkie where one could even mount it below the load bin?

Where would one get either of these to fill up though?

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:09 am

Dont think you'll pay cheaper for either bio-fuel or gas... the Gummint will find a way of screwing your a$$ over as long as there is money to be made for lining of pockets... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Doctor V · Post by **Doctor V** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:18 am

Goue reel is maak vanoggend of more-oggend vol. Teen more middag gaan jy nerens juice kry nie. BTW - hoe lank kan jy Xtra petrol aanhou in metaal jerry cans?. Ek mag dalk my eie "stash" begin maak

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:49 am

Ek dink daar is reÃ«ls en regulasies oor die hoeveelhede wat mens op 'n erf mag aanhou. Die ander probleem is dat dit dalk in elk geval gaan verdamp

dalkill · Post by **dalkill** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:07 am

I spoke to and oke at LPG auto gas.
He says they do petrol conversions, no diesel.

And the carb engines do better on the conversion than injection ones.
Carb cost around R4500 and fuel consumtion about the same, while injectors cost around R8000, fuel consumption about 8% more, and booked out till August.

With gas being at R5.50 / l , this amounts to about a R0.38 per km saving when i base on a 2.7 hilux @ 14l/100km. Thus in order to see a saving, one first has to travel 21 000km first to write off the R8000.

teepee · Post by **teepee** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:49 pm

i paid what calculates to 17 rand per liter for petrol here in denmark last time

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:49 am

teepee wrote:i paid what calculates to 17 rand per liter for petrol here in denmark last time

For that price they can keep denpetrol

LouisK · Post by **LouisK** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:36 pm

In 2003 I paid R375 to fill up, Yesterday I paid R960! Vuka Scuta here I come!

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:40 pm

Ja nee,n R1000 rand is n groot hap uit die budged vir n tenk petrol :evil:

Bushwacker · Post by **Bushwacker** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:02 pm

Ek sien by die site:- http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/index.php
vertel hulle alles oor biodiesel, en dis nie vuil nie. my probleem is op diÃ© klein dorpie is nie genoeg ou olie nie, en nuwe sonneblom olie kos nou R107.00 vir 5 liter by Spar.

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:22 pm

My probleem is ek gebruik petrol en nie diesel nie.

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:52 pm

I have a 4.5 Landcruizer pick up for sale, at the current fuel price it will do a whole 35km on R100.oo, that calculates to R3.oo per km.
If you take it off road it will rize to R5.oo per km.
Anny offers?

Doctor V · Post by **Doctor V** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:08 am

Jis this petrol thing is getting to me - My petrol for the week is now R40!!!

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:17 am

Jy moet nie die smokes aansteek met petrol nie jy gaan iets ander verbrand.

gebruik eerder n laaiter dan is jy ligter op fuel

Doctor V · Post by **Doctor V** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:29 pm

Pompaksie!

Mark Venter · Post by **Mark Venter** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:48 am

VIR DIE WOLD CUP TENDERS IN 2010 WORD R16.00 P/Litre Gebriuk so hoor ek van betroubare inligting. Weet iemand van n goeie 1.3 engine vir n hilux

Doctor V · Post by **Doctor V** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:05 am

Maybe one of those Smartcar 900c c's

SmartLux

TopHilux Hilton · Post by **TopHilux Hilton** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:47 am

Filled my Hilux the other day.

R880.00.... :evil:

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:22 pm

Hilton,dis daai wiele wat jou bakkie so swaar op brandstof maak.Dit gaan beter werk op my bakkie :)

Post by **pietpetoors** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:01 pm

Claim your cash slip when filling up your vehicleâ€™s tank
â™¦ The pump attendants take this cash slips form the cash register attendant if you do not ask for one and sell it to taxi drivers
â™¦ The taxi drivers then add these cash slips to their own and so claim a bigger subsidy amount from government thereby not feeling the pinch of the fuel increases.

So let them feel the pinch like we do and make sure you ask for a cash slip when you fill up.

Post by **george** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:04 pm

Here we go again
:evil: "The retail price of all grades of petrol will rise by 55c/litre, the minerals and energy department said on Wednesday.

The wholesale price of diesel 0.05 percent sulphur will increase by 71c/litre and diesel 0.005 percent sulphur will go up by 72c.

The wholesale price of illuminating paraffin will rise by 55.5c/litre and the single maximum national retail price for illuminating paraffin by 74c/litre. - Sapa

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:22 pm

Ja, ek kry weer daai brand gevoel van iewers af :evil:

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:55 pm

Howzit Shaakir

Can you please clarify that costing you got for an LPG Conversion, was it R4500 for a vehicle with a carb engine

Which company quoted you, got a contact name and number please

I've got a 89 SFA Hilux DC 2.2, using it daily in Cape Town and the fuel price is killing me

I'm keen to do an LPG Conversion and have heard that you can still use petrol if you run out of LPG, do you know anything about that?

Thanks man

Rich

Post by **george** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:14 am

Hi Rich
Read here about a guy that did it to his Sani
http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/GH_ShowArtic ... =44&KW=lpg
maybe you can contact him and find out all the details.it will be interessting to know what the figures are

Post by **pietpetoors** » Thu May 01, 2008 11:58 am

I think it is a catch 22, winter is coming up then there will not be enough LPG to fill the Cadacs . So where will you get LPG to fill the car?

Arri · Post by **Arri** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:51 pm

When fuel goes up everything goes up, so whe're not just feeling the pinch when filling up our tanks ...........

hilex08 · Post by **hilex08** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:18 pm

they can sell their fuel for how much they want....i will still travel with my cars.

imagine, get yourself a horse, then when you come home from work, you have to feed it, pick up the dung etc etc........

SuidWes · Post by **SuidWes** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:09 pm

July Increase:

Petrol 81c
Diesel 68c

:evil:

Arri · Post by **Arri** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:33 pm

How much will the end of July and August increase be?

SuidWes · Post by **SuidWes** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:39 pm

No idea :|

Post by **george** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:14 pm

SuidWes · Post by **SuidWes** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:20 pm

Dink ek gaan maar die naweek altwee tenke en 'n paar jerries vol maak en die bakkie laat staan tot die Richtersveld trip......

Tristan · Post by **Tristan** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:04 pm

I haven't even had my Hilux for very long and already Im wondering if I can afford to keep it

Its not much good if I cant even afford to take it out the garage :x
LPG conversion, Hydrogen conversion

something has to be done.
If anybody has had success with alternative fuel or some other fuel economy conversion please post the results

dalkill · Post by **dalkill** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:58 am

Tristan,

i feel your pain.

I have for the last while searched high and low for alternative fuel sources, and basically nothing comes without it share of hitches.

Personally, Biodiesel is still the way forward.
The problem is getting hold of used oil. There is just nothing left in the market.

So I bought a 2.2, with the intention of doing gas conversion.
Costs about R5000+ to do it, but I can take it out an fit to another vehicle when I sell.
However, gas is linked to the price of oil, so you always going to be screwed here as well, but not as much :)
If you going the autogas route, don't go to afrox. they freaking ripoffs. They qouted me R1.50 / liter more than another filling station. And this is a big drawback of autogas - not alot of filling stations. But you can run on petrol too if you run out of gas. Just carry timing light with you, else your petrol consumtion will be heavy.

Hydrogen is an option, and the theory is sound. I have read the plan on how to build an on-demand hydrogen plant for a carb vehicle, but the problem with hydrogen is :
first the theory is never proven that you can extract enough hydrogen from water to use as fuel, and

second, and this is more worrying to me, if hydrogen is compressed it turns back into water

. Thus to run your engine on hydrogen, you will have to have stainless steel valves and exhaust system fitted. Block and possibly head needs to be ceramic coated, it think. But to me water in the engine is never a good thing. But maybe the cost of doing all this anto-water protection things, could be worth it, if you could simply pour water into your tank.

I'm planning to test the plans of hydrogen kit, to see if it can actually produce enough hydrogen, and then maybe get an old busted engine at the scrapyard to see if I can make it work. Something has to be done. The reliance of oil will be the death of us all

Tristan · Post by **Tristan** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:03 pm

I am eagerly :!: awaiting the results, please keep us posted

I had wondered about the rust issue :?

Post by **pietpetoors** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:35 pm

I think a lot of people are wondering about the rust issue. Some reports I have read say that rust is not a problem since you generate water vapor when burning petrol anyway.

Other reports say that they did encounter a rust problem and had to change the valves to Stainless Steel valves and the pistons to ceramic pistons or you have to build your system in such a way that you can run the engine on petrol for 30 seconds before switching it off in order to get rid of the access water. Seems like only time will tell.

Arri · Post by **Arri** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:45 pm

Dont't forget ethanol, which can be distilled out of almost any organic material like sugar cane or potatoes and it's clean burning, efficient most petrol engines can be converted to run on it; only drawback is most Hilux owners will empty their own tanks during a fishing trip, you just dilute with it dam water to the %vol of your favourite brand.
As for the gas, many comercial vehicles overseas run on LP gas and even over here forklifts and stuff run on gas with a slight conversion, it's clean and efficient, but they link it to the oil price, although their are abundand supplies naturally and you can manufacture it.
But then again, Sasol makes petrol out of coal and out of natural gas, but raises their prices everytime the oil barrel goes up, so it makes you wonder what are the real reasons behind the price hikes....???

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:53 pm

Arri wrote:Dont't forget ethanol, which can be distilled out of almost any organic material like sugar cane or potatoes and it's clean burning, efficient most petrol engines can be converted to run on it; only drawback is most Hilux owners will empty their own tanks during a fishing trip, you just dilute with it dam water to the %vol of your favourite brand.
As for the gas, many comercial vehicles overseas run on LP gas and even over here forklifts and stuff run on gas with a slight conversion, it's clean and efficient, but they link it to the oil price, although their are abundand supplies naturally and you can manufacture it.
But then again, Sasol makes petrol out of coal and out of natural gas, but raises their prices everytime the oil barrel goes up, so it makes you wonder what are the real reasons behind the price hikes....???

I might add that Sasol in Secunda is the only refinery in SA that uses coal to produce fuel. The resulting fuel is much cleaner and of a higher purity. The Sasol plant neer Sasolburg (NATREF - joined venture between Sasol and Total) uses crude oil as the rest of the refineries in SA. m2cw

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:57 pm

I actually want to predict something. Very soon you are going to start hearing about peoples cars having puncture fuel tanks. Especially the ones parked in the street overnight. Nothing (except maybe the risk of an explosion) is stopping someone from making a hole in your fuel tank and then draining all the fuel and what they don't use, just run onto the road. (only a prediction but I don't think it's far off)

Tristan · Post by **Tristan** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:23 pm

And I was hoping that you were going to predict something good.....

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:30 pm

Yeah... morbid, isn't he?

-F_D

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:10 am

So 74c up tonight for petrol. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Tristan · Post by **Tristan** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:43 am

Scooter wrote:So 74c up tonight for petrol. :evil: :evil: :evil:

dalkill · Post by **dalkill** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:08 am

Arri

I have looked at the Ethanol option as well, but then again here you need to get hold of waste inputs. Again, this market is probably tapped. And the amount if ethanol you get out is very low. You prob could only get a tank of fuel out of a ton of waste inputs - just guessing here. Something like grapes you get 80% juice out, then only 30% of this is sugar, which is what the yeast turns into alcohol, of which this still needs to be purified, then you end up with a tiny amount of 95% proof alcohol.
Another drawback with ehtanol, is you have to make a bigger hole in your carb injectors, which means you cannot run on petrol again.

So my search continues for the most apprpriate alternate fuel.
If I can just get hold of used vegetable oil, then my prob would be solved.

Arri · Post by **Arri** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:12 pm

That's true but then again we can make gas out of those rotting organic materials too, not that their is shortage of natural gas available and they refine the gas to make petrol in many countries including SA. Ethanol is bi-product of many producs they make alot out of molasses they squeeze from it from suger cane. Methylated Spirits we use for cleaning is Ethanol to witch they add a little methanol to make it poisonous to denature it so normal people don't grab the blue bottle when they here the news about petrol hikes and inflation sky-rocketing.......
You do need alot of material to distill a little bit and convert those sugars in ethanol,but it's a renewable energy source and that never stopped moonshiners during america's prohibition times to create alot some almost fuel grade like good witblits....... and remember that they add alcohol to our normal petrol as a filler anyway. I don't think it's viable to make it on small scale in your back yard.
Bio Diezel like vegetable oil is another option, immagine if you had contacts at Kentucky fried and could get a limitless supply of old cooking oil, I have seen diesel vehicles run omn dirty cooking oil without a conversion, but this won't do for our high preasure injector fancy Td-i engines with perfomance, even our regular diesel causes excessive wear on the injectors.
My personal opinion is that the internal combustion engin as a propulsion has been obsolete since the 1950's but that too many high powered individuals and companies have stakes in oil and the motor industry, so they have surpressed these alternate snergy/fuel sollutions and now they are starting to introduce them slowly at their convenience and profit. So be carefull if you discover a much cheaper viable source of fuel, you might be silenced as well (conspiricy theories) And also remember our own goverment gets a fat steady and secured income from petrol....

dalkill · Post by **dalkill** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:58 pm

don't worry arri.

if i do find that illusive alternate fuel, I'll be going underground with my lux

Arri · Post by **Arri** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:28 pm

Good! You know what they say;"not being paranoid, is no guarantee they're not out to getcha"
You can always sell the patent or your soul to the highest bidder, then retire and start working on your private collections of all the Hilux models ever produced, up untill the latest TRD concepts and
hybrids. So keep on looking for that viable alternative, I believe we'll see more efficient battery powered and fuel cell cars anyway in the near future and more encourragement to use biofuels.
History so far goes: The West invent a technology, Japan refines that technology and china mass produce and makes it cheap for the masses. But not untill the guys with the bucks and power have tapped all the profit they can from the remaining barrels of oil in the earth, and their are still alot of oil fields and profits they have not started to drill, kind of like DeBeers does with some of the diamond deposits they already know of owns mineral rights but do not excavate, so that supply and demand gets artifiacially controlled. Anyway I am not a profit of doom or conspiracy theorist but I do believe Sh.t happens and some things are not the way the masses percieve them.

Post by **pietpetoors** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:32 pm

Also see
http://keelynet.com/energy/teslafe1.htm

Arri · Post by **Arri** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:52 pm

Current Petrol Price in Houston USA 3.85 to 4.15 per gallon (US gallon is about 3.8L)

Do the maths:
4.00 = 1.00 US gallons= 3.785412 Liter
1$ = 0.946353 Liter
1$ = +/-R8.00

So if you are paying in Rand it's costing you R8.00 per liter.
Only thing to consider is that they earn(salary /income) in Dollars(no need to multiply everything X 8) not Rands so it would be equivilant of paying R1.00 per liter and they are complaining that's a crisis.........

Tristan · Post by **Tristan** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:06 pm

Well Im hoping that somebody will find it crisis enough to come up with a genuine alternative fuel source :|

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:16 am

Arri wrote:Current Petrol Price in Houston USA 3.85 to 4.15 per gallon (US gallon is about 3.8L)

Do the maths:
4.00 = 1.00 US gallons= 3.785412 Liter
1$ = 0.946353 Liter
1$ = +/-R8.00

So if you are paying in Rand it's costing you R8.00 per liter.
Only thing to consider is that they earn(salary /income) in Dollars(no need to multiply everything X 8) not Rands so it would be equivilant of paying R1.00 per liter and they are complaining that's a crisis.........

I wonder if their government also adds about 30% of taxes onto that as well? :evil: