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CasKru wrote:I'm now watching the "highlight" package and have come to a conclusion.... the guy narrating and editing the highlight package does not like Giniel, Dirk and their Hilux :evil: :evil: :evil:
Why you say that? :?:
Because he calls Giniel "Mr Consistency"?
Just the way he skips over Giniels stuff almost not metioning the trouble he had gone through the previous day and stating what an awesome stage Gordon had (but he was slower than Giniel). He also forgot to mention that Giniel was hampered by dust making overtaking extremely difficult.

Okay.. so what, I'm biased towards Giniel but he is a professional and shouldn't be biased and give Giniel enough airtime :twisted:
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Remember, he is just the commentator. He is given a script, and adds his voice to what is written.
The Dakar is one of the most (if not the most) complex television productions to get out there in the world.
If you want to get upset with someone, then you must curse the director.
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I see the GWM is 6th overall, guess it will do their name good if they end there or better
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Well Giniel is doing incredibly well, so far to lie in second place overall, and really needs to start shortening that time distance between himself and Peterhansel.. and I am also biased. Thinks we must havbe a Giniel biased team at the Dakar next year and go and do our own reporting and photo's.... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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I think we all are biased, nothing wrong with that. Our whole fan club is supporting Geniel. We R fans of Geniel!
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coverage of this event is beyond pathetic.

take awaverts, the historical lesson of the Daker
past participants

the repeat footage of the minis and the buggys

and we are left with a supper glorified announcement of the results

I for one don't accept that between the helicopter footage, and the.competitors go-pro footage, that they couldn't put something better together on a daily basis
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i thought it was just me who noticed that they dont cover Giniel much!

i totally agree that the coverage is beyond pathetic!

even the dakar website does not give proper highlights and announcements.

there is no way (that i can see) to follow a specific driver or team
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I am NOT biased - I AM a TOYOTA supporter !! :)


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I am NOT biased - I support anything as long as it is a TOYOTA
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have just like this face book page, actually the top gear SA, and it looks like they also update on the progress of the hilux!!

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Giniel is flying.... fastest at waypoint 4 :yahoo: :yahoo:
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Yes, good, go Giniel, GO.

Just hope Mr Consistent stays consistent, but I am sure he will. That is what makes him so good.
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Evidently the race has been stopped due to deteriorating weather conditions
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Update:
Cars & Trucks race have been stopped, due to torrential flood, times of CP1 will be kept.
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Eish... Sien nou net op die "highlight package" dat Giniel al die karre voor hom in gehaal het en eerste op die pad was toe die resies gestop is. So die luck is maar net nie aan hulle kant nie :(
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Kyk wat gebeur in die T2 klas..... Production series......

Top 10 is almal Toyota's...... :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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Oh, Toyota SA facebook page updates Geniels progress at every WP. It's the best way of following progress that i have found.
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Ratel-06 wrote:Kyk wat gebeur in die T2 klas..... Production series......

Top 10 is almal Toyota's...... :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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So another gruelling day ahead for competitors.. hope the weather has improved... and really, really hope Giniel pushes way ahead of Hansel and Gretel and catches up the time he is behind him.....
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GI Jane wrote:So another gruelling day ahead for competitors.. hope the weather has improved... and really, really hope Giniel pushes way ahead of Hansel and Gretel and catches up the time he is behind him.....
Hope lady luck favours them for a change. Would be nice if the difference between Giniel and Hannsel can be under 5 mnutes going into the last day....
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the hilux was.just involved in an incident


the hilux picked up a strange noise in the dust

it sounded like people screeching
upon slowing down the noise disappeared

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Can someone explain to me why all the cars start 3 minutes appart but Peterhansel are given a 6 minute gap ahead of him?
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Cassie where did Peterhanzel finish the previous day ?? Did somebody finish between him and De Villiers ???


Few years back the teams "played" with starting tactics. Schlesser was held up by the "german lady" - to the benefit of her tema mate ..... this whole thing escalated to a full out team war !! In the end Schlesser's team mate deliberately held up the lady's team mate ... he took a stupid chance to get by and wrecked his vehicle. Schlesser got a huge time penalty, for his team mates actions .... The lady was left as the champ that year - but her actions of blocking Schlesser was just overlooked ....
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Not sure... maar dit maak mos nie saak nie. Hulle moet mos net in 3 minuut inkremente weg gestuur word... :(
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My gripe daarmee is almal moet met die ou voor hulle se stof saamleef maar hier kry hy 'n ekstra 3 minute dat die stof kan gaan le dat hy meer kan gat skoonmaak. Ek vat vir Giniel. Op 'n paar van die vorige dae moes hy terug hou want hy kon nie deur die stof sien nie...
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Krap my om want ek kan nie onregverdigheid hanteer nie
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Ja Cassie maar kyk verder af in die lys, daar is weer 'n 3 minute, dan 5 minute, dan 7 minute en daar is een wat net 2 minute is. Smaak my die ou wat die wegtrektye bereken het was dronk of hy het nie wiskunde op skool gehad nie.
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pietpetoors wrote:Ja Cassie maar kyk verder af in die lys, daar is weer 'n 3 minute, dan 5 minute, dan 7 minute en daar is een wat net 2 minute is. Smaak my die ou wat die wegtrektye bereken het was dronk of hy het nie wiskunde op skool gehad nie.
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:yahoo: :yahoo: Giniel placed 3rd on yesterday's stage! :yahoo: :yahoo:
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sien Geniel het darem nou n ordentlike gap tussen hom en nommer 3 ! :)
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Het gedog die maak 'n mooi prentjie... en was lus vir speel
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any info on those michelins used,wonder how they compare to the bfg"s some of the other teams use?
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Baie mooi Cassie, Dankie.. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Awesome!! :thumbup:
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The original is quite pretty as well
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Interview with Giniel on the stage that was cancelled...
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CasKru wrote:Can someone explain to me why all the cars start 3 minutes appart but Peterhansel are given a 6 minute gap ahead of him?
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Just figured this one out myself :blushing: :blushing: :blushing:

The cars and trucks start interleaved. The position between Geniel en Petehansel was taken up by a truck yesterday... hence the 6 min difference in the start time in the cars section
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Giniel seems to be running around 3rd through the WP's staying ahead of Peterhansel. Peterhansel still 1st overall and Giniel 2nd overall each with about 40 odd minutes to their nearest rival

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CasKru wrote:Giniel seems to be running around 3rd through the WP's staying ahead of Peterhansel. Peterhansel still 1st overall and Giniel 2nd overall each with about 40 odd minutes to their nearest rival

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Giniel and Dirk finished the stage 4th and Peterhansel 9th. Overall Giniel is still 2nd

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apparantly most of the teams are using michelin latitude C tyres this year(mini,toy,gwm)bfg's are a subsidary of michelin,wonder if they are similar? :confused:
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www.zitzewitz.com wrote: Finish within sight: De Villiers and von Zitzewitz ready for final “Dakar” spurt

La Serena, 18th January 2013 Without risk through the final major test posed by the 2013 Dakar Rally and on to the finish: On the penultimate stage of the “Dakar”, running from Copiapó to La Serena, Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz took another step towards the finish in Santiago de Chile, where the final stage of the 2013 “Dakar” will be contested after an overall route of 8000+ kilometres. With the finish in sight, the chances are good that the 2009 winners will improve on their 2012 overall position. Last year the South African and his German co-driver were classified third. They currently occupy a comfortable second place behind leader Stéphane Peterhansel in the X-raid-Mini, and have a 44:53 minute advantage over Leonid Novitskiy in third place, also driving an X-raid Mini.

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Secure in the knowledge that Friday’s 13th stage could prove extremely challenging, “Ginny” and “Schnietz“ tackled its 441 timed kilometres in a controlled and consistent fashion. A single navigation error or a slip in the extended dunes of Copiapó could result in the loss of their comfortable overall position. Rather than take risks, de Villiers and von Zitzewitz piloted their “made in South Africa” Toyota Hilux undramatically to the stage finish. “That was not a stage to attack on,” de Villiers said afterwards. “The danger of making a mistake with fatal consequences was just too big.” Instead the Three-O-One kept rolling with the top competitors and could even cut Peterhansel’s lead to 44:38 minutes.

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“Once again the 13th ‘Dakar’ stage proved tough, as expected. In the dunes we were twice forced to take double runs in order to cross them, otherwise everything ran to plan. Once again our Toyota Hilux was reliable, having proved its reliability on all sorts of terrain. Today’s stage was certainly not one on which to attack. We have one day left ahead of us, and we aim to retain second place at the finish.” - Giniel de Villiers after leg 13

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“Our preparation for the challenges of navigating today’s stage was certainly worth gold. We made it through the day error-free. When we were forced to take double runs at the dunes, Giniel was calm as we knew we had alternatives planned. On Saturday on the way to Santiago de Chile it will again be twisty and really dusty, but the finish is within sight, and we will do everything to reach it.” - Dirk von Zitzewitz after leg 13

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Results: Dakar Rally overall classification after leg 13

01. Stéphane Peterhansel/Jean-Paul Cottret (F/F), Mini, 36:44.46 Std.
02. Giniel de Villiers/Dirk von Zitzewitz (ZA/D), Toyota, 37:29.24 Std.
03. Leonid Novitzkiy/Konstantin Zhiltsov (RUS/RUS), Mini, 38:14.17 Std.
05. Nani Roma/Michel Périn (E/F), Mini, 38:25.12 Std.
06. Orlando Terranova/Paulo Fiuza (ARG/PRT), BMW, 38:37.26 Std.

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kfxnando wrote:its not over till the fat lady sings

and she.hasn't sung yet
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Congratulations to Giniel and Dirk on finishing the Dakar 2013 in second place overall :lol:

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Second in 2013! Three-O-One and its place in “Dakar” history



Santiago de Chile, 19th January 2013 Mr. and Mr. Reliable? Certainly. But also: Mr. and Mr. South America. Second overall! Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz have secured their place in the history books of the world’s toughest rally – the Dakar Rally. Five starts in Argentina, Chile and, now, Peru; four top-four placings – no other duo has achieved that in marathon rallying history. Their latest achievement, celebrated after an 8000-kilometre haul through Peru, Argentina and Chile, was once again a supreme demonstration of reliability: Three-O-One Style. Since 2007 “Ginny“ and “Schnietz“, as the solid South African driver and his cheerful German co-driver affectionately refer to each other, have contested “Dakar” events together. And, always made it to the finish. On this legendary desert rally, the ultimate two-week test of man and machine, reaching the finish can certainly not be taken for granted. With their “made in South Africa” Toyota Hilux, de Villiers and von Zitzewitz this year placed second to record-setting winners Stéphane Peterhansel/Jean-Paul Cottret, who started as rank favourites in the X-raid Mini. Where the winners came up to expectations, Three-O-One by far exceeded them by shading a host of more favoured entries.

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Successful reliability: The Mastermind sits on the left. And right.

It’s their style. And it’s successful. Calculated risk equals perfect recipe – in the reliability stakes Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz are the benchmarks. Their 2009 Dakar Rally victory with Volkswagen was historic in many senses. In 2013 the Mastermind once again sat on the left: Giniel de Villiers, whose fully focussed and totally sympathetic style enables him to push his machinery to the limit, yet reach the finish. Another Mastermind sits on the right: Dirk von Zitzewitz, whose navigation skills enable him to instinctively follow the correct route, a crucial factor in their success. To set themselves realistic targets are further character traits common to both, and, again, a vital contributor to their remarkable performance on the latest edition of the “Dakar”.

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Public darling that delivers: evolutionary “made in South Africa” Toyota Hilux

In 2009 Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz rang in the enduring era of diesel domination on the “Dakar”. In 2012 and 2013 they proved the potential of production-based four-stroke engines. Last year the South African-German duo celebrated the first podium place for a non-diesel since 2009. This year “Ginny” and “Schnietz” posted the best-ever result for a “Dakar” prototype powered by a petrol engine in the history of South American-based “Dakar” rallies. Their Toyota Hilux, developed and entered by Team Hallspeed on behalf of Toyota South Africa, had underwent wide-ranging evolution since last year: A production-based 5 litre V8 engine replaced the 4,7 litre version previously fitted to this off-road pick-up – endowing it with increased toque and power and providing the perfect combination for the toughest test in world motorsport despite an increase in the vehicle’s weight.

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Sand, gravel, rocks – the toughest “Dakar” ever.

Never before has a Dakar Rally been as demanding from the start; never before have the sporting and technical challenges been as high as in 2013. Yet, from the opening day Three-O-One absorbed the varied terrain with ease. From start in Lima, Peru to finish in Santiago, Chile the route threw challenges such as low yet tricky dunes in southern Peru, towering examples made up of soft sand in Argentina, and Chile’s inhospitable Atacama Desert at the crews. Two Andes crossings took them over the 5000-metre altitude mark, while sweltering heat and torrential storms compounded the challenges of the 2013 Dakar Rally, one which Giniel de Villiers/Dirk von Zitzewitz mastered with aplomb. In the process they scored a total of eleven of a possible 14 top-five stage results.

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“Second place – that counts as victory for us! Last year we exceeded our expectations by far, and would never in our wildest dreams have believed that on the 2013 ‘Dakar’ we would better our third place from 2012. The competition this year was a lot stronger than in 2012. There were numerous candidates for victory; we were the underdogs. Our reliability enabled us to not only master the ‘Dakar’, but also made the decisive difference. Our three-year programme got off to a first-class start, and I am looking forward to next year, even if this ‘Dakar’ was extremely challenging.” - Giniel de Villiers after the 2013 Dakar Rally

“In a word: Wow! We could not have wished for more from this Dakar Rally. Second place – I would never have bet on it. However, our performance was the result of superb reliability, a strong car that has been carefully developed, and a super team. The saying “To finish first, you first have to finish” was originally coined in Formula 1, but it applies even more to the ‘Dakar’. I am incredibly proud of this result. Simply put: This ‘Dakar’ was challenging, but we were up to it.” - Dirk von Zitzewitz after the 2013 Dakar Rally

Results: Dakar Rally provisional overall classification


01. Stéphane Peterhansel/Jean-Paul Cottret (F/F), Mini, 38:32.39 Std.
02. Giniel de Villiers/Dirk von Zitzewitz (ZA/D), Toyota, 39:15.01 Std.
03. Leonid Novitzkiy/Konstantin Zhiltsov (RUS/RUS), Mini, 40:01.01 Std.
04. Nani Roma/Michel Périn (E/F), Mini, 40h 09m 22s
05. Orlando Terranova/Paulo Fiuza (ARG/PRT), BMW, 40:21.49 Std.
06. Carlos Sousa/Miguel Ramalho (PRT/PRT), Great Wall, 41:10.55 Std.
07. Ronan Chabot/Gilles Pilot (F/F), SMG, 41:50.44 Std.
08. Guerlain Chicherit/Jean-Pierre Garcin (F/F), SMG, 42:00.23 Std.
09. Pascal Thomasse/Pascal Larroque (F/F), Buggy MD Rallye, 43:08.11 Std.
10. Lucio Ezequiel Alvarez/Bernardo Rolando Graue (ARG/ARG), Toyota, 43:18.27 Std.
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Yes.. well done to Giniel, very proud supporter of the team.... :celebrate: :celebrate: :celebrate: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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Great News!!! Congrats to the Imperial Toyota team!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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A great achievement! Holding thumbs for first place next year, but those Minis seem to be awesome!


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This is really great news and we are proud of you guys. Well done Giniel and Dirk
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