Intercooler for the 2.5
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Intercooler for the 2.5
I know there are a various threads of intercoolers on this forum. But can we get some info together on a single thread (asseblief manne)
Please tell what intercooler you used
where did you get the pipes
What chip did you use with it
who did this work for you (either the full installation or just the chip setup at the end)
I want to do this to ELDERS when the warrantee expires, or maybe a bit earlier.
THANKS :)
Please tell what intercooler you used
where did you get the pipes
What chip did you use with it
who did this work for you (either the full installation or just the chip setup at the end)
I want to do this to ELDERS when the warrantee expires, or maybe a bit earlier.
THANKS :)
Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
Please tell what intercooler you used - Mzda 2.5 drifter (free)
where did you get the pipes (Toy supplied)
What chip did you use with it (Dastek)
who did this work for you (Toy)
where did you get the pipes (Toy supplied)
What chip did you use with it (Dastek)
who did this work for you (Toy)
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
Please tell what intercooler you used - Dastek
where did you get the pipes - SAC
What chip did you use with it - SAC
who did this work for you - SAC
where did you get the pipes - SAC
What chip did you use with it - SAC
who did this work for you - SAC
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
SAC did my intercooler & chip. Had a few problems but they sorted it out
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Chris, what size intercooler are you planning on fitting?
Front mount / top mount?
Front mount / top mount?
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
Mark if I go through with this, it would probably be a front mount unit. Just cant see myself cutting up the bonnet.
whe stuck behind a truck doing 100km/h I want the intercooler and chip ... the rest of the time I think of reliability and resale value ...
BUT, this is a long term vehicle so maybe the resale issue is not really an issue ....
whe stuck behind a truck doing 100km/h I want the intercooler and chip ... the rest of the time I think of reliability and resale value ...
BUT, this is a long term vehicle so maybe the resale issue is not really an issue ....
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If you can get a top mount 3.0 D4D intercooler it would de first prize, cut the hole and don't be a sissy man!
Fitting a front mount entails a lot more tubing and you have to cut through the wall in front of your battery anyway.....and the silicone pipe is expensive......
Fitting a front mount entails a lot more tubing and you have to cut through the wall in front of your battery anyway.....and the silicone pipe is expensive......
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
Looked at this, you can fit without cutting the bulkhead. You can use stainless piping and can get away with much less silicone piping. The silicone piping is the weak link in the setup.
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Agree, I had to replace some of mine as it had chafed through. Did not replace some of it with stainless, but two sections with mild steel from an exhaust place down the road for R100.Traveler wrote:Looked at this, you can fit without cutting the bulkhead. You can use stainless piping and can get away with much less silicone piping. The silicone piping is the weak link in the setup.
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This is where I am procuring my project components from.
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
I studied this for a while (being a non-tecchie) and then took it in to SAC.
The first go was the chip and intercooler and Dyno results showed an increase from 68.2 to 81kw and 238 to 286Nm. Unfortunately the Dyno pointed out that the thermostat was a bit ill so rebooked for this solution and re-dyno. unfortunately needed to do some mileage but got back to SAC and had things sorted. Now 87.9kw and 301Nm torque.
Whilst these figures don't match the phamplet specs I am quite happy. The Lux is much better and has a new lease on life at 200000km.
Whilst the thermostat was said to be responsible for a slightly higher fuel consumption, I look forward to a long run with all fixed. However, I do think that my consumption will increase because you just have to use the extra legs on the Lux. The change of thermostat took the figures from 80.7 to the final 97.9Kw and torque from 287Nm to the final 301Nm.
Some interesting points and perhaps those in the know can comment:
- figures achieved and those advertised by SAC were said to be different as a result of altitude and barometric pressure etc. Is this fact or BS?
- fitting a snorkel to increase cool air ... SAC reckon that the snorkel has a smaller air flow passage than no snorkel and reduces performance. I can understand this to a point but have also read that the snorkel sorts out the pesky turbo lag.
- is it better to get the Lux dyno'd in JHB for better results?
Look forward to comments - it's a great forum!
The first go was the chip and intercooler and Dyno results showed an increase from 68.2 to 81kw and 238 to 286Nm. Unfortunately the Dyno pointed out that the thermostat was a bit ill so rebooked for this solution and re-dyno. unfortunately needed to do some mileage but got back to SAC and had things sorted. Now 87.9kw and 301Nm torque.
Whilst these figures don't match the phamplet specs I am quite happy. The Lux is much better and has a new lease on life at 200000km.
Whilst the thermostat was said to be responsible for a slightly higher fuel consumption, I look forward to a long run with all fixed. However, I do think that my consumption will increase because you just have to use the extra legs on the Lux. The change of thermostat took the figures from 80.7 to the final 97.9Kw and torque from 287Nm to the final 301Nm.
Some interesting points and perhaps those in the know can comment:
- figures achieved and those advertised by SAC were said to be different as a result of altitude and barometric pressure etc. Is this fact or BS?
- fitting a snorkel to increase cool air ... SAC reckon that the snorkel has a smaller air flow passage than no snorkel and reduces performance. I can understand this to a point but have also read that the snorkel sorts out the pesky turbo lag.
- is it better to get the Lux dyno'd in JHB for better results?
Look forward to comments - it's a great forum!
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
Sorry, I am wishing ... last post should read a final Kw of 87.9
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Some interesting points and perhaps those in the know can comment:
- figures achieved and those advertised by SAC were said to be different as a result of altitude and barometric pressure etc. Is this fact or BS? I would think you would get better performance with the turbo down at the coast.......?
- fitting a snorkel to increase cool air ... SAC reckon that the snorkel has a smaller air flow passage than no snorkel and reduces performance. I can understand this to a point but have also read that the snorkel sorts out the pesky turbo lag. Air-flo to the filter is definitely more as referred to ram air effect, I noticed the difference when I fitted mine.
- is it better to get the Lux dyno'd in JHB for better results? I recently had mine remapped / dyno'd after 18 months of original installation and can feel the difference, feels like a new van!
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
Andre, if you see the size of the air intake standard on the Hilux vs. Snorkel you will know that the person at SAC making that comment was just winging it. I am surprised by your small increase in performance with chip and intercooler. Toyota get 100kw out the Fortuner in 2.5D4D
With the snorkel you also get a slight ram air effect because you are forcing air into the snorkel as you are driving; you cannot get that with a normal dyno.
Yes, as you increase in altitude and air density decrease the power delivery does decrease.
Get the Dyno done in the area where you use the vehicle the most.
With the snorkel you also get a slight ram air effect because you are forcing air into the snorkel as you are driving; you cannot get that with a normal dyno.
Yes, as you increase in altitude and air density decrease the power delivery does decrease.
Get the Dyno done in the area where you use the vehicle the most.
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
OOOOMS and Traveller, seem to think that either I have a general performance problem on the Hilux or that there are some interesting issues at hand regards the fitment and chip. Assuming that intercooler is okay (dastek and all) can the issue be that the SAC chip is not as good as a Dastek chip? Can it be that SAC have not set it up correctly?
When driving up to JHB, I notice a drop in power and when calling SAC regards this (same source as the snorkel info) I am told that between the coast and reef you can expect an 18% drop in power. Any ideas on which way I should run with this?
When driving up to JHB, I notice a drop in power and when calling SAC regards this (same source as the snorkel info) I am told that between the coast and reef you can expect an 18% drop in power. Any ideas on which way I should run with this?
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When last did you have it Dyno'd? When mine was done I got 99.6kw and that was without the intercooler.ATH wrote:OOOOMS and Traveller, seem to think that either I have a general performance problem on the Hilux or that there are some interesting issues at hand regards the fitment and chip. Assuming that intercooler is okay (dastek and all) can the issue be that the SAC chip is not as good as a Dastek chip? Can it be that SAC have not set it up correctly?
When driving up to JHB, I notice a drop in power and when calling SAC regards this (same source as the snorkel info) I am told that between the coast and reef you can expect an 18% drop in power. Any ideas on which way I should run with this?
Could be that the setup is not done properly or ther could be something els wrong. The first time when I had the chip fitted, the Dastek tech called me and told me that my actuator on the turbo was cracked, I had it relpaced (found one at some turbo place, fitted it and took it back) they dyno'd it again for free and happy as a pot-belly-pig. Look, the 2.5 is no race car, let's make that clear :!:
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PS. The SAC Chip is generally always a Dastek chip.
Yes, you can expect 15-20% drop in power between GP and the coast. However with a Turbo vehicle that drop is always on the lower side as the Turbo forces air into the engine.
Yes, you can expect 15-20% drop in power between GP and the coast. However with a Turbo vehicle that drop is always on the lower side as the Turbo forces air into the engine.
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Re: Intercooler for the 2.5
mmm lekker om te droom eendag sal ek ook 500HP of meer wil he:)
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for all of the feedback ... I am taking the matter up with SAC and am better informed to do this thanks to your info.
Thanks for all of the feedback ... I am taking the matter up with SAC and am better informed to do this thanks to your info.
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After a long chat with SAC it seems that the 28% increase in power is good. They will re-dyno the vehicle and map out the best fuel efficiency for normal driving and keep the power.
Regards the Kw variation, apparently each ane every dyno is different and no two dynos will give the same readings. I am none the wiser.
I will keep this thread updated on the outcome.
Regards the Kw variation, apparently each ane every dyno is different and no two dynos will give the same readings. I am none the wiser.
I will keep this thread updated on the outcome.
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Just got back from SAC and much better performance. 90.2kW and 312Nm. Part of the issue was that the original carpet under the pedal was only allowing 70% throttle. Sorted out and much better response and the fuel efficiency was tuned in better.
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ATH wrote:Just got back from SAC and much better performance. 90.2kW and 312Nm. Part of the issue was that the original carpet under the pedal was only allowing 70% throttle. Sorted out and much better response and the fuel efficiency was tuned in better.
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The BS baffles ... but it is better than the original spec. i am sure that if I cut a piece off the roofliner I will find some kW too!
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Just go on a diet......ATH wrote:The BS baffles ... but it is better than the original spec. i am sure that if I cut a piece off the roofliner I will find some kW too!
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Good one!
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I had SAC (Dastek) chip fitted about 18 months ago and kw went up to 92 from 74.
I had SAC free flow exhuast fitted last week and kw went up to 102, but what was great was torque figures, up from 220/1500 rpm to 280/1500 rpm. Very very little lag!! like a new truck.
I did a trip to Durban from Jhb and with the extra power, hills are not a problem and the legs are much longer. However I did the trip record time, and only because I could!! It was so much easier. Consumption suffered though, 65 liters for 585kms.
Fitting intercooler soon, will give an update.
I had SAC free flow exhuast fitted last week and kw went up to 102, but what was great was torque figures, up from 220/1500 rpm to 280/1500 rpm. Very very little lag!! like a new truck.
I did a trip to Durban from Jhb and with the extra power, hills are not a problem and the legs are much longer. However I did the trip record time, and only because I could!! It was so much easier. Consumption suffered though, 65 liters for 585kms.
Fitting intercooler soon, will give an update.
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Dave, sounds good! Look forward to seeing the figures with the intercooler.
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Have a look at the bend behind the turbo......
Then compare with these pics
That is a problem...... :wink2:
Then compare with these pics
That is a problem...... :wink2:
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The bend.....OOOOMS wrote:Have a look at the bend behind the standard 2.5 turbo......
Then compare with these pics
That is a problem...... :wink2:
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and the solution is ??? before this question drives me around the bend ....
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The solution is in the pictures Mark posted.
The Toyota 90Deg sharp angle they fit causes swirling.
The Toyota 90Deg sharp angle they fit causes swirling.
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Ok had the intercooler fitted,!!
Stats as follow:
chip fitted: 99.6Kw @3500rpm, 283.2Nm @2500rpm
exhaust fitted: 104.4Kw @3500rpm, 294.7Nm @2000 rpm
Intercooler: 116.5Kw @3500rpm, 355.2 @2000rpm
Not in 3.0L territory but close!
Have just arrived in Lusaka after a trip through Botswana and Zimbabwe. My consumption is up a little, however I think its due to the speeds I can travel now the truck pulls well and cruises great in 5th. 4th gear its like a mule, endless power it seems!! The mix is great, decreasing lag well(not eliminating) and has a great mid range power band. Great for overtaking. Im happy!!
Stats as follow:
chip fitted: 99.6Kw @3500rpm, 283.2Nm @2500rpm
exhaust fitted: 104.4Kw @3500rpm, 294.7Nm @2000 rpm
Intercooler: 116.5Kw @3500rpm, 355.2 @2000rpm
Not in 3.0L territory but close!
Have just arrived in Lusaka after a trip through Botswana and Zimbabwe. My consumption is up a little, however I think its due to the speeds I can travel now the truck pulls well and cruises great in 5th. 4th gear its like a mule, endless power it seems!! The mix is great, decreasing lag well(not eliminating) and has a great mid range power band. Great for overtaking. Im happy!!
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Wow!!! Stats look impressivedamazon wrote:Ok had the intercooler fitted,!!
Stats as follow:
chip fitted: 99.6Kw @3500rpm, 283.2Nm @2500rpm
exhaust fitted: 104.4Kw @3500rpm, 294.7Nm @2000 rpm
Intercooler: 116.5Kw @3500rpm, 355.2 @2000rpm
Not in 3.0L territory but close!
Have just arrived in Lusaka after a trip through Botswana and Zimbabwe. My consumption is up a little, however I think its due to the speeds I can travel now the truck pulls well and cruises great in 5th. 4th gear its like a mule, endless power it seems!! The mix is great, decreasing lag well(not eliminating) and has a great mid range power band. Great for overtaking. Im happy!!
What size intercooler did you fit?
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Dave, you got excellent results. The torque jump has been impressive.
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Mark I never got feedback from the intercooler add on the other forum ...
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Minor mods and it's already so much more powerful than a Nissan whats-its-name...Traveler wrote:Dave, you got excellent results. The torque jump has been impressive.
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Happens often......ChrisF wrote:Mark I never got feedback from the intercooler add on the other forum ...
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A Micra?Mr_B wrote:Minor mods and it's already so much more powerful than a Nissan whats-its-name...Traveler wrote:Dave, you got excellent results. The torque jump has been impressive.
Chris, you might want to consider MrTurbo for an intercooler. http://www.mrturbo.co.za/index.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Thanks Heinrich, maybe later.
Mark forwarded me a link of a good deal in the Cape. Contacted the gent, said I am in the Cape and would like to come over ..... never replied ......
Due to my camera addiction I dont have the money for this conversion now. AND, the bakkie has about 6 months of the factorie warrantee left ..... but then ..... :)
Mark forwarded me a link of a good deal in the Cape. Contacted the gent, said I am in the Cape and would like to come over ..... never replied ......
Due to my camera addiction I dont have the money for this conversion now. AND, the bakkie has about 6 months of the factorie warrantee left ..... but then ..... :)
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No 2.5 can go untouched ........
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ATH wrote:No 2.5 can go untouched ........
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@ Mark, I"m not sure what size intercooler it is bud! Its the one from SAC!
As pointed out, once you start tinkering with the 2.5 the bug bites and you cant stop!! but its all good
As pointed out, once you start tinkering with the 2.5 the bug bites and you cant stop!! but its all good
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Tx Dave Just curious.....damazon wrote:@ Mark, I"m not sure what size intercooler it is bud! Its the one from SAC!
As pointed out, once you start tinkering with the 2.5 the bug bites and you cant stop!! but its all good
When you have a spare moment could you please measure it L x W x H
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sure thing, I will measure
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Dave while you are at it ... PLEASE take a LOT of pics .... :)
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Hi Guys
Sorry for delay in reply, just got back last night late from Lusaka via Harare.
Blanche, my van pulled like a train, very sweet!!
Anyway, I treated her to a nice pamper, full house wash!! I swear she smiled at me!!
@Mark, difficult to measure exact but in the region of about 550mm x 250mm x 75mm. I didnt have a tape measure so it is definite guestimate. I will do it properly in time, sorry!
@Chris, some pics for you
Sorry for delay in reply, just got back last night late from Lusaka via Harare.
Blanche, my van pulled like a train, very sweet!!
Anyway, I treated her to a nice pamper, full house wash!! I swear she smiled at me!!
@Mark, difficult to measure exact but in the region of about 550mm x 250mm x 75mm. I didnt have a tape measure so it is definite guestimate. I will do it properly in time, sorry!
@Chris, some pics for you
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Dont know what happened to the pics, try again