Hilux 4x4 Forum

Hi.Oorweeg dit om 2000 model hilux kzte 3 liter diesel te koop.Dubbelcab 2x4.Wat is julle mening oor die model.Enige raad sal help.Het my 1989 Toyota verkoop so wil nou bietjie upgrade.

Stay far, far away. Must easily be toy's worst motor. Ask me, I had two.

Other side of the coin:
To my mind a lovely motor.
Still have mine, bought it new. 280 000kms on the clock, motor still ticks like new. Replaced waterpump, and other than service items that was the only "trouble" I had.
Still on original clutch even.
Fuel consumption is half that of the 2.7, power significantly more. My KZ is a work horse, carries load every day, does what it was built for, does it every day.

Yes, I know, if someone else had driven a vehicle which you now buy second hand you have no idea how they had treated it, which is the advantge I have with my KZ, because I KNOW it was serviced every 10 000 kms, and after Toyota's 100 000 km waranty expired all the servicing was done by myself.
So I know it never ran on old/incorrect oil, etc, and I know it was never abused.
But the same is true for any vehicle you buy second hand - you are at the mercy of the honesty of the seller.
Turbodiesels are not good vehicles to buy second hand, and the KZ has a reputation for cracking heads. So what?? Before you buy, have it tested at a radiator place for cracks in the head. If it shows gasses in the radiator, point it out to the seller, offer 15k less than you were prepared to pay, and if the deal goes through, use that 15k to fit an AMC head, and you're good for another 500 000k's on that head. Take care of your vehicle and it will give you many years of good service. Abuse it and it wil abuse you straight back.

One known issue with these vehicles - head cracks.

To replace with an AMC head that lasts cost half of a set of injectors on a D-4D .... Was about R15k for the head and labour when my neighbour had it done in 2015.


I would most certainly buy it if the body is in decent nick.

Bought my KZ on 160 000km. Yes, cracked head on 230 000km. Replaced with an AMC. Current km on 355 000km. Pulls like a train. I have installed an EGT guage after the head replacement for peace of mind. Good buy in my mind.

Radiator test is not always that accurate with diesels. Another thing to look out for is the water level in the reservoir next to the radiator. The coolant level must not exeed the full mark up to the cap and beyond, i.e. the coolant must be on the full level when hot. An easy way to check this is to look for signs of antifreeze in the engine compartment. The Toyota coolant will show a pink residue.

All the best with your decision making

Thanx for the comments I appreciate it.So main problem these bakkies have is cracked head maybe.If that is sorted hiw would the rest be.Reliabillity,comforr,speed,power and fuel consumption?

Fanie Botha wrote:Thanx for the comments I appreciate it.So main problem these bakkies have is cracked head maybe.If that is sorted hiw would the rest be.Reliabillity,comforr,speed,power and fuel consumption?

Fanie

Die betroubaarheid lê in die km vir my. My KZ het ek ge-chip en ook 'n Cirrus IC geinstalleer. Ek sal more al my threads wat jou kan help soek. Ek sal dit hier post

Ek verlang BAIE na Kz!!

Gekoop op 64 000km in 2005, intercooler en chip op 72 000km opgesit.

Eerste groot geld was op 400 000km vir 'n nuwe head. Sommer die turbo laat doen en die waterpomp vervang.

Kyk mooi vir olie lekke. Op die 4x2 agter op die ratkas het myne olie gelek. Baie geld en tyd spandeer maar kon dit nooit uit sort nie.

Kragstuur pomp en boks begin lek op hoer myle. Turbo se olie return pyp na sump ka ook lek en dit loop dan af en lyk of dit die rear main seal is.

louis fourie wrote:

Fanie Botha wrote:Thanx for the comments I appreciate it.So main problem these bakkies have is cracked head maybe.If that is sorted hiw would the rest be.Reliabillity,comforr,speed,power and fuel consumption?

Fanie

Die betroubaarheid lê in die km vir my. My KZ het ek ge-chip en ook 'n Cirrus IC geinstalleer. Ek sal more al my threads wat jou kan help soek. Ek sal dit hier post

Dankie Louis sal dit baie waardeer.

Thabogrobler wrote:Ek verlang BAIE na Kz!!

Gekoop op 64 000km in 2005, intercooler en chip op 72 000km opgesit.

Eerste groot geld was op 400 000km vir 'n nuwe head. Sommer die turbo laat doen en die waterpomp vervang.

Kyk mooi vir olie lekke. Op die 4x2 agter op die ratkas het myne olie gelek. Baie geld en tyd spandeer maar kon dit nooit uit sort nie.

Kragstuur pomp en boks begin lek op hoer myle. Turbo se olie return pyp na sump ka ook lek en dit loop dan af en lyk of dit die rear main seal is.

Dankie Thabo.Klink maar vir my die bakkie het foutjies soos enige voertuig maar darem die moeite werd.

Fanie

Hier is die eerste twee:

Head replacement:

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EGT Guage

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Ja, maar dis kleinighede in my opinie.

Met sy verkoop op 433 000km was die starter pas vir die eerste keer oorgedoen.
Alternator nog oorspronklik.
Een clutch op 127 000km.
So twee stelle universal joint en een centre bearing.
Een stel voor disk, enn stel agter dromme.
Timing belt elke 100 000km.
Een remlig gloeilampie!!
Een idler arm.
Twee stelle injector tips.

Geen wiel bearings of ball joints(die b/joints was wel due)

Ek dink nie dis baie onderhoud oor 10 jaar in vergelyking met ander voertuie.

Die uitdaging is nou om die regte voertuig vir jou te kry.

As ek bv. myne se klok terug gedrasi het 233 000km toe, sou niemand dit vermoed het nie - as jy mooi na 'n IFS kyk sal hy/sy jou op ver paaie neem!

Thabogrobler wrote:Ja, maar dis kleinighede in my opinie.

Met sy verkoop op 433 000km was die starter pas vir die eerste keer oorgedoen.
Alternator nog oorspronklik.
Een clutch op 127 000km.
So twee stelle universal joint en een centre bearing.
Een stel voor disk, enn stel agter dromme.
Timing belt elke 100 000km.
Een remlig gloeilampie!!
Een idler arm.
Twee stelle injector tips.

Geen wiel bearings of ball joints(die b/joints was wel due)

Ek dink nie dis baie onderhoud oor 10 jaar in vergelyking met ander voertuie.

Die uitdaging is nou om die regte voertuig vir jou te kry.

As ek bv. myne se klok terug gedrasi het 233 000km toe, sou niemand dit vermoed het nie - as jy mooi na 'n IFS kyk sal hy/sy jou op ver paaie neem!

+1

Ek mis my KZ verskriklik baie. Maar my 09 d4d auto ry ook bitter lekker.
Die kz is 'n eenvoudige bakkie wat maklik is om aan te werk. Daar is altyd parte beskikbaar en dit is ook nie duur nie. As jy hom reg tune en mooi na hom kyk en monitor (MADMAN of my diy EGT) dan gaan hy vir jou baie plesier verskaf.

MAAR en hier is die kruks van die saak, jy moet jou hand op hom hou. Jy moet hom goed onderhou. Jy moet hom gereeld (5000km verkieslik) diens. As jy hom gaan afskeep gaan hy jou byt. Hoof rede hoekom ek myne laat gaan het was agv die groot hoeveelhede tyd wat ek aan hom spandeer en bly spandeer het. Daar was altyd nog ietsie om reg te maak.

Dankie almal.Sal julle laat weet van my besluit.Wil iewers in volgende week na die bakkie gaan kyk en vandaar besluit neem.

louis fourie wrote:Fanie

Hier is die eerste twee:

Head replacement:

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EGT Guage

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Dankie Louis!

Fanie Botha wrote:

louis fourie wrote:Fanie

Hier is die eerste twee:

Head replacement:

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EGT Guage

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Dankie Louis!

I have a mechanical temp gauge and inter-cooler and no problems yet but I would be careful at pushing these motors flat out for long periods at a time.if you look after it it should be fine.

I don't agree. I have looked after mine. See another new post on forum today. These heads go. Period. It is not a good motor. And for the few high milers, there are way too many with cracked heads. It has that reputation for a good reason.

JamesC wrote:I don't agree. I have looked after mine. See another new post on forum today. These heads go. Period. It is not a good motor. And for the few high milers, there are way too many with cracked heads. It has that reputation for a good reason.

Even Hoppy had the head crack on his KZ.

So YES, it is known issue.

BUT, I still believe comparing this with injector costs on the D-4D the KZ is still a viable option. But DO NOT use a reconditioned head !!! This is guaranteed to BITE you.

JamesC wrote:I don't agree. I have looked after mine. See another new post on forum today. These heads go. Period. It is not a good motor. And for the few high milers, there are way too many with cracked heads. It has that reputation for a good reason.

I fully agree on the heads - but say it happens every 200 000km and virtually no other maintenance needed, it is still a reasonably economical vehicle to run.

AFAIK the Kz and D4D has the same block?

Would I buy another Kz? Ja, well, no, fine. IF I know the history and it is in very good condition(I know of 3 that I would buy in a heartbeat) and factor in some 'risk' cost I might just consider it.

But for a few bucks more you can get a nice Vigo V6 with almost the same fuel consumption.

Imagine no head trouble on Kz's, can you then think of the crazy price you could get for it?

I am a Toyota fan...so don't get me wrong. But I refuse to drive a kz again for one simple factor that none of you can prove otherwise nor ignore...and ALL kz owners suffers from it: you watch that heat gauge closer than your bank balance. Some install a host of gadgets to warn them of the impending doom.

No thanks. Buy petrol if you are buying second hand or look at other brands then.

JamesC wrote: Buy petrol if you are buying second hand

Amen brother, amen!!

Thabogrobler wrote:

JamesC wrote: Buy petrol if you are buying second hand

Amen brother, amen!!

Eish, julle ouens is lelik. Het myne gekoop (2de hands) op 160k. Head vervang ja, maar nou op 355k km.... and that my friends equate to 6c per km for the head and another 7c per km for the diesel pump recon....and that is it apart from normal maintenance.

Ja Louis...dit verander nie die feit, en erken dit nou maar, dat jy altyd jou heat gauge dophou.

Haal die badge van die bakkie af, staan twee tree terug en jy sal die ironie en humor daarin sien.

JamesC wrote:Ja Louis...dit verander nie die feit, en erken dit nou maar, dat jy altyd jou heat gauge dophou.

Haal die badge van die bakkie af, staan twee tree terug en jy sal die ironie en humor daarin sien.

Help my...waar sit die heat guage nou weer

Er, uuhmm...guage sal jy nie kry nie, maar gauge is die een wat jou hart bietjie laat klop as jy 'n lang uphill sien

Used to have a friend, many years ago at Wits tech, Braamfontein. He lived in the Res. He was terrified of leaving campus, was scared of being mugged. And true as Bob, he'd get mugged at least once every two months.
Me, I lived in a flat in Hillbrow. I had nothing worth stealing (still don't ) and thus spent many an evening walking to and from campus in the dark, not being worried about muggers.
No one ever took anything off me, yet old Tinus came stumbling back to his room on campus with only his underpants left on his body after a mugging on more than one occasion
You attract what you fear. Me, I am not scared of heat gauges
I am aware of the heat gauge. It does not bother me. I keep a steady 120 up the hill from Reading I/C to Comaro, bakkie full of tools. Gauge doesn't move.

Here is the thing: yes, KZ heads are vulnerable. 15k and it is sorted. As mentioned, half the price of a D4D's injectors, and you KNOW you are going to have to have those injectors done... Last quote I got for KZ injectors was 4k, but at almost 300k kms my injectors are still OK. D4D's have clutch issues. I'm still on my original.

Every vehicle has it's Achiles heel if you want to be pernickety about it.

We need to at some stage upgrade the 2.7 to a D4D purely because of fuel consumption issues, but I am terrified of those cr@ppy clutches and golden injectors.... So I asked my contact to keep an eye out for a KZ. Then I'll have two in the stable, and 15k in an investment account for the head.

I bought a pre-facelift 2002 KZ-TE in 2007. It had 158 000km on the clock. To this day I have not had any trouble. I now have 290 000 on the clock. Like with any vehicle I had some maintenance, but all in all the cost of ownership of a Hilux KZ is minimal.

The other reason that I will keep mine for as long as possible is, like with most Toyota models, they retain their value. I paid R 155 000.00 for mine and I regularly see them advertised for 130-140k in the classifieds. Show me an Isuzu or Ranger that will keep the same resale value ... forget it.

So put it into perspective, I have owned my bakkie for 9 years. In 9 years it depreciated by little over 20k in value and I have had no major mechanical events. So should I decide to sell now, I have practically (bar for fuel) driven it for free. A Hilux is good investment any way you look at it.

Great vehicle in my opinion and there is very few 4x4's that will keep up in mountainous terrain. Full Stop.

4x4 Junkie wrote:I bought a pre-facelift 2002 KZ-TE in 2007. It had 158 000km on the clock. To this day I have not had any trouble. I now have 290 000 on the clock. Like with any vehicle I had some maintenance, but all in all the cost of ownership of a Hilux KZ is minimal.

The other reason that I will keep mine for as long as possible is, like with most Toyota models, they retain their value. I paid R 155 000.00 for mine and I regularly see them advertised for 130-140k in the classifieds. Show me an Isuzu or Ranger that will keep the same resale value ... forget it.

So put it into perspective, I have owned my bakkie for 9 years. In 9 years it depreciated by little over 20k in value and I have had no major mechanical events. So should I decide to sell now, I have practically (bar for fuel) driven it for free. A Hilux is good investment any way you look at it.

Great vehicle in my opinion and there is very few 4x4's that will keep up in mountainous terrain. Full Stop.

Well said. I can only agree

Oupa Stig wrote: You attract what you fear. Me, I am not scared of heat gauges

That is so true

Since we are talking investments: Bought my '02 single cab Kz in 2005 with 64000km on the clock for R125 000. It worked hard(but not abused) till February 2016 on 433 000km when I got an offer for R95 000.

IMHO, to loose R30 000 in 10 years and close to 370 000km is not money lost but a good investment if you consider it was used to earn an income!

Hi guys,

I have been reading up on the KZTE heads, because the other morning I tried to start mine, .... hydraulic lock! If looking back on my old posts on this forum, I had a radiator rupture on my wife in town a while ago, so the KZTE still heating up after I fitted a D4D radiator, then after changing the thermostat, it was better for a while and yeah, lately the temp gauge was similar to a poliesman on a fishing line, so, I was watching it very closely!!!! I took the head off over the weekend and stroes njannies, 3 cracks on 3 cylinders!!

So, researching, i can find assembled heads for around R7K, but I read about the AMC heads. I looked at Gemini's website but I imagine I would have to give them a call. Any other agents for these heads, perhaps? I am halfway between Joburg and Nelspruit, thus have to travel to purchase and I really don't ever want to go through this exercise again!

Ai tog Monty,

Soek Alert Engine Parts, hulle het landwyd takke.

EK het so 4 jaar gelede 'n bare AMC head by hulle gekry vir R6000 en toe net die cam en valves laat oorbou. Dit was baie goekoper as 'n volledige head.

Krap ook op die forum vir die koeler termostaat en egte toyota head gasket. En as jy regtig wil, verander ook die exhaust vanaf die turbo.

Sterkte!