Hilux 4x4 Forum

Have they started yet?

See this year:
"This year the team will be fielding the all-new Lexus RC-F V8 engine – the most powerful 2UR-series engine ever built."

After the first day, Toyota in 1st place.
Geniel No 8.

Check out Geniel's record, I think it is awesome, really hope he can win this year, he deserves it:

Reminder set for the next Dakar broadcast :)

It was the prologue and the real race starts tomorrow. Here is some pics from Geniel's twitter account:

Geniel wrote:8th on prologue today. Happy with result and Hilux ran well.

joh some people have lekker jobs

anyone have the time table for the TV broadcasts?

Toppie4x4 wrote:anyone have the time table for the TV broadcasts?

The days stage is air'd at 22h30 that evening and is normally either on SS6 / 7 /8, the repeat is then shown the next morning at 6h00.

Thanks.................the new guy is flying..........Geniel is also doing good, hope he can take a few stages this year?

I believe it's between Geniel and Loeb this year. Loeb I would reckon would take most of the rally type stages but when it comes to the rest I think Geniel will have the upperhand

today is a short stage lets see?? I'm watching it live on my phone.

Got to love this clip
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3kriiw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm not saying a thing

Because a Hilux can!

See yesterday overall under the top 10 there were , 5x Toyota, 3x Peugeot and 2 x mini
Previous years Mini and Hummer were all over the show.

Gee whiz... That's a lot of mud for a dessert race

Cassie

I'm a huge Loeb fan, but I think he'll struggle a bit in the duns, remember the first couple of stages are very much WRC style.

I think Giniel will come to light in the dunes, don't write off Peterhansel nor Al-Attiyah in the dunes. Their dune experience will bod them well.

my predictions are those three on the podium - Giniel on top of course and hoping Leeroy can bring in a podium or at least 4th.

the truly top drivers never risk all on the first few days .....

this is NOT WRC - seconds on the first days become nothing once you hit the LONG stages.

CasKru wrote:Gee whiz... That's a lot of mud for a dessert race

I think this is what makes it interesting, testing the guys on all levels.

I see there is talks of an African Dakar, time for HCMC to step in.

I see AL-At... is in a two-wheel drive this year .....



seems the Peugoets are MOVING this year !!



by all accounts the race starts TODAY !!

ChrisF wrote:I see AL-At... is in a two-wheel drive this year .....

If you're referring to Al-Attiyah, he's in a X-Raid Mini, which is 4WD.

Certainly the Peugeots have surprised everyone with their speed against the 4WD, the only thing is that the Hilux's seem to jump better than the Peugeots at high speed ( they kick the rear up) and that might hamper them a bit in the dunes.

Yes today with the marathon stage, it will certainly show who can balance reliability with speed.

Please; what is the link to get the daily stage by stage ranking?

Harold wrote:Please; what is the link to get the daily stage by stage ranking?

Hi Harold, have a look here:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dingo wrote:

ChrisF wrote:I see AL-At... is in a two-wheel drive this year .....

If you're referring to Al-Attiyah, he's in a X-Raid Mini, which is 4WD.

Certainly the Peugeots have surprised everyone with their speed against the 4WD, the only thing is that the Hilux's seem to jump better than the Peugeots at high speed ( they kick the rear up) and that might hamper them a bit in the dunes.

Yes today with the marathon stage, it will certainly show who can balance reliability with speed.

Thanks Scott.

I thought he said they were in a two wheel drive vehicle .... obviously got the wrong end of that sound clip ....

Don't know what Geniel is up to but seems like he is constantly loosing time....

Well done Poulter and Howie. They have now overtaken Geniel and Dirk on the current standings. They are 5th and Geniel and Dirk in 6th.

According to the supersport highlights, the hilux is having problems with the altitude making the vehicle less powerfull, something they have struggled with on previous dakars aswell. Hopefully they can sort it out!

Some V8 sweet sounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQuqvQgX2c0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

coetzer94 wrote:According to the supersport highlights, the hilux is having problems with the altitude making the vehicle less powerfull, something they have struggled with on previous dakars aswell. Hopefully they can sort it out!

Unfortunately the reality of normally aspirate engines vs turbos

Dingo wrote:Some V8 sweet sounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQuqvQgX2c0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks Scott.... awesome sounds those

yip ek wil niemand se fun spoil nie maar ek is bevrees dit lyk nie goed nie.....................Geniel raak al hoe meer agter en om dit in te haal is glad nie n maklike taak nie.

coetzer94 wrote:According to the supersport highlights, the hilux is having problems with the altitude making the vehicle less powerfull, something they have struggled with on previous dakars aswell. Hopefully they can sort it out!

but the other Hilux's suffer the same altitude ....


Previous two stages were a "combined" stage with zero work done at night - and Geniel indicated some problems on the first of these two days.


Let's hope they found the issue during the last night and that he may now be at least on pace with the other Hilux units.



Worth noting how the Mini's cant keep up with the Peugoet's ...... Seems like this years results may be a bit of an upset.




Also, let's not forget. Fatigue is about to set in ... with even longer stages coming up. Fun is about to start

the hilux is having problems with the altitude making the vehicle less powerfull

Always been a problem with petrol engines, that is where the turbo diesels perform better.

Poulter vandag. Mannetjie werk hard om op te maak vir kragverlies.

CasKru wrote:

Dingo wrote:Some V8 sweet sounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQuqvQgX2c0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks Scott.... awesome sounds those

Sweet sounds
Great to see the guy's different driving styles, at different points in the turns they apply power or tap off.

Jis... ek wonder hoeveel gate hy in daai sitplek geknyp het....

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Oupa Stig wrote:Poulter vandag. Mannetjie werk hard om op te maak vir kragverlies.

Mickey, that picture was actually taken just after the Hilux was rebuilt in Chile. Leeroy was testing in a quarry close to where the Hilux's were being prepared. So he nearly cocked it up before the Dakar even started

So today the second part of the Dakar starts and in my eyes the real Dakar - they hit the dunes proper now and I think this is where the Hilux's will be better. Having said that with reservation as the Peugeots have surprised everyone, even the Mini's who are turbo diesel'd aswell. Toyota expected to loose time at altitude, but not this amount.

I'm still predicting at least one Toyota on the podium, if not two.

Scott we can only hope your crystal ball is working .... would LOVE to see a TOYOTA on the podium !!


having watched Seb Loeb doing WRC all those years I am having a bit of a moral dilema here ..... glad he is doing much better than I ever thought .... whatch me jinx his dune driving ...

Chris, just for you.

Not what I wished for, but he got lost , then stuck and think he was pushing too hard. I'm not too sure if he made it back to the service park, so not sure if he's still in or not.

Very sad way to end this epic battle.

jip, watched the show last night. by which time he was still not back ....

truly sad.


at least it seems that Giniel is picking up speed when the rest struglle.... may just be too little too late ....

Update on Loeb, incredibly, believe it or not, they got it going and to the end of the stage and is lying 8th overall. He's lost about an 1hr, but importantly got to the end of the stage. His crew will ensure that today he gets an almost brand new car.

GOOD !!


Now let's see him claw his way up the leader board !! THIS is going to be interesting ...

According to Giniel's co-driver Dirk, they got stuck on a bush between two boulders near the end of the stage and it took 20min to free the hilux. http://zitzewitz.com/?p=5734" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

20 minutes wow and he is still amongst the front runners!!

seems we may have a HILUX on the podium


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122474" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

nog twee dae wat enige iets kan gebeur.. Poulter is ook nog daar

JIP, this is not a time-trail, this is an endurance race .....


hoop maar dit gaan goed met Geniel

Goooooo Geniel. There is a free app in the for the dakar. great for up to date news and detail.

http://www.topgear.co.za/4x4/its-suppos ... ently-not/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dingo wrote:http://www.topgear.co.za/4x4/its-suppos ... ently-not/

Wanted to say exactly this for quite some time but thought it was only me...

CasKru wrote:

Dingo wrote:http://www.topgear.co.za/4x4/its-suppos ... ently-not/

Wanted to say exactly this for quite some time but thought it was only me...

I certainly dont like the daily changes ......

but when it gets that hot that ALL the medical helicopters are busy with dehydrated racers over hundreds of kilometers ..... it got so bad that no helicopter was spare for any acidents ..... liability and all those soft words ......


are the modern drivers too soft .... or are the conditions so much worse than years gone past ...... with only three days in the dunes.



still. Same top contenders.

We had record high temperatures here in the last week so maybe the same is happening with El Nino enol.

ChrisF wrote:....................are the modern drivers too soft .................

I'm with Sarel on this one!

If you've read his autobiography you'll know all about it. If you haven't....read it!!!!!!!

Did they say anywhere what the temperatures were, besides extreme temperatures?

Pieter they mentioned high 30's going into the 40's.

Add a set of full leathers, backing sun, and extreme physical action .... EINA !!

But the cars have airconditioning....

Temperatures of 45 deg C were mentioned on the previously shortened stage.

But these temperatures were not uncommon when they were still in Africa... Bit of a Dakar Lite this year.

CasKru wrote:But the cars have airconditioning....

The way they explained it, it was the bike riders that got de-hydrated, then needed evac ...


With no helicopters racing must be stopped ....



think the cars are the innocent bystanders in this.


Let's not forget, that these cars do get stuck and the physical effort to get it out in that heat must be something else - but yes, that was the same even back then.

JohanW wrote:... Bit of a Dakar Lite this year.

Said it before, will say it again. French organisers, French cars, French drivers.

Anyone surprised that the entire Dakar is arranged to suit the French WRC drivers in their French 2wd buggies?

Where's the spirit of the Dakar when a leading driver screws up, gets his car towed over the finishline, has a massive multimilliondollar backupcrew build him an almost brand-new car? That's no achievement in this day and age, with vehicles like these buggies.

The Peugots are allowed to regulate tyre pressure from on board, on the move. Perhaps because they are 2wd? To even things out against the 4wd competition? Just like the restrictions placed on the petrol vehicles to even things out against the turbodiesels?

That's bull.

It's been said by some on this forum that Toyota is aware of the restricrions, they know of the power loss at altitude, yet they persist with the petrol V8.
Same goes for the 2wd cars then, should it not?
You KNOW you've a 2wd.
You KNOW the 4wd cars have an advantage over the changing terrain.

Yet you STILL enter a 2wd???

Because the organisers will make it easier for you. You enter WRC drivers in your 2wd cars, and suddenly even the official Dakar facebook page talks about how "todays stage is more similar to WRC events amd should suit the style of thw WRC drivers". Who happens to be French. In French cars. And suddenly the Dakar stages are WRC stages. Not Dakar stages. Blech.

Really lost my taste for the whole thing, it's just too massively geared towards the big teams with big bucks. Commercial interrests have taken over the entire spirit of this event.
That which used to make the Dakar unique is now lost.
They can keep it.

(all of which makes the achievements of the Toyota team that much the more impressive, considering what they had managed with their resticted -though still massive - budget.
Anyone notice Baragwanath in the quads? That's what I am talking about!)

oh so close for Leeroy Poulter

A solid performance by Toyota Gazoo Racing SA’s Leeroy Poulter and navigator Rob Howie (#319) saw the crew lead Stage 12 of Dakar 2016 for nearly five hours, narrowly losing out on their first stage win. The pair took the lead from the first waypoint in the 481 km-long stage between San Juan and Villa Carlos Paz, and only relinquished that position within half an hour of the finish. The stage was won by MINI’s Miko Hirvonen, with Nasser al-Attiyah in second and Poulter/Howie finishing third.

“Leeroy and Rob drove a stunning stage today, and remain in fifth place overall,” said Toyota Gazoo Racing SA Team Principal Glyn Hall, from the bivouac at Villa Carlos Paz. “They looked on for a stage win, but missed out on that by just 45 seconds. And that after five-and-a-half hours of flat out racing! The excitement in the bivouac was immense, as the team watched Leeroy and Rob increase their lead at every waypoint.”

Their triumphant charge came to an end, however, when they caught up with teammates Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz (#301), who were fighting a battle of their own at the time. Poulter/Howie fell foul to a tightening corner, which they couldn’t discern in the dust. They left the road and lost two minutes extracting their Toyota Hilux from the deep rut in which they came to rest. Even so, the pair lead the stage until the penultimate waypoint, and very nearly chalked up their first win