What makes a suspension "The Best Suspension"?

[pietpetoors]

I find "The Best Suspension" thing humorous.

In this month's WegRy on Page 29 they advertise Pedders (first time I hear of them) as Australia's No 1 Suspension.
On page 38 is an ad of Tough Dog which was indicated as the best performing suspension.
Somewhere a while ago I read that RAW is Australia's best suspension.

Wow , the best of the best and we are so lucky to have all the bests available in South Africa.

I wonder how our very own Mikem will compare to those? Have anybody ever done a comparison?

How do you really define a "Best Suspension" In my opinion the whole suspension thing is totally over rated.

In your opinion, What makes a suspension "The Best"?

[LouisZ]

Pieter is moeilik om te se.

Persoonlik sal ek se die Tipe Suspensie wat jou die beste diens gee waaronder as jy 'n problem kry dit so gou moontlik uitgesort kry.

Elkeen van al die make daar sal iets wees wat vir dit tel en dan teen dit tel. So wees net bewus van alles. Praat met mense en hoor wat is hulle opinie voordat mens koop.

[ThysdJ]

Dis 'n kwessie van die beste suspension setup vir jou behoefte... Maar ons almal se behoefte is maar min of meer dieselfde.. en ons gaan nie regtig die verskil agterkom tussen OMS/Iron Man/Pedders/Old Dog/Tough Cookie suspensies nie...

Ek ry met LAS Profender suspensie in die Vigo.. Is dit die beste suspensie waarmee ek al gery het? Ek kan nie regtig se nie, want behalwe vir die standaard Toyota suspensie, is dit die enigste ander een wat ek al ooit ingehad het.. Profenders is 'n upgrade van die standaard suspensie, for sure, maar ek weet nie hoe loop OME of enige van die ander in 'n Vigo nie, so ek kan nie daardie vergelyking tref nie....

Op Kaspaas het ek OME suspensie gehad... en op vorige SFA Hiluxe ook... so ek kan nie regtig se of dit die beste is nie, want ek het nie die ander make beproef nie, maar vir my was OME op daardie stadium die regte tool vir die job... Mens moet appels met appels vergelyk.. mens kan nie OME op 'n SFA vergelyk met LAS Profender op 'n Vigo nie... Of even OME op 'n SFA met OME op 'n Vigo nie.. Appels en Marshallows...


Tensy jy baie lank en baie hard die goed navors is jy redelik aangewese op wat die vervaardigers vir jou vertel.. So daardie "Best Suspension" storie moet jy maar met 'n knippie sout vat... Miskien verkoop hulle meer eenhede as hulle kompetisie en word hulle "Best"- geit daaraan gemeet?

[LouisZ]

Stem saam Thys. Beste as jy kan is om te vra om dieselfde voertuig te ry wat jy het met so Suspensie as dit moontlik is.

[ThysdJ]

Stem saam Thys. Beste as jy kan is om te vra om dieselfde voertuig te ry wat jy het met so Suspensie as dit moontlik is.

Selfs dan Louis.. Hoe lank, ver en wyd moet jou test-drive wees om daardie suspensie in alle moontlike terreine te ervaar? Tensy ons baie tyd het is ons redelik uitgelewer aan die ouens wat daardie tipe van navorsing doen..

Die belangrikste is JY moet JOU behoefte baie duidelik verstaan en verwoord... en dan moet jy die kenner by wie jy 'n suspensie wil koop vertrou om aan jou die regte produk te verkoop wat daardie behoefte bevredig.. Dis ook hoekom ek van mening is dat die verkoopsman 'n kenner op die gebied moet wees, en nie noodwendig aan 1 spesifieke produk gebind moet wees nie.

[LouisZ]

Yup, dis hoekom ons so baie vra vrae oor die Voertuig wat ons doen. Lyk amper of ons niks weet nie :? . Dit gaan juis om die regte setup te idenfiseer vir jou behoeftes. Wees maar geduldig asb. As dit nie gevra word nie dan is daar probleme.


Al baie gese, as die suspensie nie reg gekwaliseer is vir die gebruik daarvan gaan dit 'n slegte gevolg he en dan sal die duurste suspensie ook nie eers reg wees nie. Ook onthou, as daar verander word op die voertuig na die installasie,ie meer gewig sal dit ook aandag moet kry. Daar is opsies.

[Mud Dog]

Agree with most of the comments above .... the best for one might not be the best for another. I currently have Dobinsons and have previously had OME .... I would go back to OME in a heartbeat if the cost were not so prohibitive.

What I look for in a suspension on my SFA .....
After sales service may be important to some, but because I am able to do any work myself, it's low on my list.
Must have a good spring rate that doesn't fade significantly over time.
Mustn't sag after a few years.
Must provide decent wheel travel.
A good match between the springs and the shocks is critical.
Even though it's an off-roader, a reasonable amount of ride comfort is also important.
Most importantly it must provide good road stability.

[ChrisF]

en met die verkkerde band druk is die "beste suspensie" ook nie veel werd nie ....


Daar is net soveel faktore betrokke.


Ek glo vas dat IRON MAN "die beste" is - hoe anders, dis dan wat onder my Hilux diens doen. :)


met presies dieselfde setup moes jul die effek ervaar toe ek die standaard bande vervang met AT bande !!



durf ek sê - die BESTE setup in die hande van n onervare ryer sal nie kom waar iemand soos Thys met n standaard setup sal kom nie.

[pietpetoors]

For me it is quality, ie. how long it will take before it break or sag.

In my opinion a suspension is a pack of springs, coil springs or torsion bars and shock absorbers.

Springs are springs. If you look at a pack of leave springs, what can make the one superior to the other?
Different manufacturers might use different thickness of blades, pack them differently with spacers for softer ride, etc.
If it flex better it probably cannot carry load, if it takes better load it won't flex. You cannot say XYZ is a better spring than ABC because; look how well it flexes.

All of them must be manufactured from spring steel.
OK, some might be manufactured from a higher grade spring steel, thus you have a more homogenous steel.
If you have steel with impurities you may have hard and soft spots in your steel.

The steel gets heat treated and it is formed in its shape while hot and I can only guess heat treated again.
I guess the quality and control of your furnace will then play a roll.

With shock there are far more variables which I agree can make a huge difference. Shaft thickness, solid mountings, different size and material valves, etc.

BUT a pack of springs?

[ThysdJ]

Agreed 100% Pieter.

[ChrisF]

Pieter om jou woorde te gebruik - daar is springs en dan is daar springs ......


Die hitte behandeling van springe kan dit maak of breek. Die groter name behoort meer konstant te wees. Ek weet van die vervaardigers in Stikland Triangle se batches verskil nogal erg van mekaar !! As daai man in die overhalls nie lus is nie kry jy crap springs ....


En ja, daar is nogal n wye verskeidenheid springs - tipies is die flex en die gewig dra vermoe teenoorgesteldes .....


en dan met shocks moet jy kies vir jou ry styl en vir die terrein. n Corrugated pad WERK n spring en as jy verkeerd gekies het gaan daai olie warm word. Die dampers het gate in wat bepaal hoe sag of hoe hard daai shocks gaan reageer - off road soek jy travel, on-road moet daai shock harde wees dat jy kan "corner".

Dus is shocks en springs n trade off - absoluut onmoontlik om n perfekte on AND off road suspension te kry. Enige en elke stel is maar kompromie ....



maar ja - kwaliteit is sekerlik n meer meetbare item.

[MOFASA]

Agree with most of the comments above .... the best for one might not be the best for another. I currently have Dobinsons and have previously had OME .... I would go back to OME in a heartbeat if the cost were not so prohibitive.

What I look for in a suspension on my SFA .....
After sales service may be important to some, but because I am able to do any work myself, it's low on my list.
Must have a good spring rate that doesn't fade significantly over time.
Mustn't sag after a few years.
Must provide decent wheel travel.
A good match between the springs and the shocks is critical.
Even though it's an off-roader, a reasonable amount of ride comfort is also important.
Most importantly it must provide good road stability.

You hit the nail on the head there.......

mikem suspension that I had fitted faded and went to the horrid W shape within a year and I had negative feedback from them in regards to that.

In my opinion it all depend on what you prepaired to pay..... a good suspension is NOT cheep.....