Hilux 4x4 VHF Channel?

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:43 pm

The 29meg radios were simple, everyone was on the same page (frequency).
I've just reprogrammed my VHF to yet another new set of ORRA frequencies 'caus everytime i get to the dunes there is a coms problem.
I added the Landcruiser Club frequency as it is an active one and there is normally someone on the other side, better luck than with ORRA.

I was just thinking, why don't we get a Hilux frequency we can use country wide? Surely it is not that expensive to register our own one?

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:49 pm

I like the idea!

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Post by **CasKru** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:53 pm

I think it's just more difficult to get a national frequency than a local frequency.

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:59 pm

Once we have the frequency, we can use it local, national and abroad, or doesn't it work that way?

It will be nice to enter an area while traveling and speak to fellow hiluxers.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:21 pm

ICASA Application Fee: R620.00 (Once off)

Local VHF Frequency (50km radius of your registered address) is R120 p.a.

Geographical Frequency (i.e. W. Cape only) is around R1100 p.a.

National VHF frequency for the whole country but not out of the SA borders is around R4400 p.a.

All prices mentioned above are irrespective of the quantity of radios you may have.

These figures are all ball-park, I have the figures at work but I am now officially on H-O-L-I-D-A-Y!!

BUT:
ICASA no longer licences Clubs, or so they told us. Each person would have to apply in their personal capacity. It would be an interesting experiment to apply for this as a Club however and see what happens. Perhaps they have had a rethink or we might just get lucky.

-F_D

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:29 pm

Post by **pietpetoors** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:01 pm

we have been considering this for a long time and maybe it is time we just do it.

Eric when you are not on holiday no more can you tell us where to begin the process.

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:20 am

Bosfebok · Post by **Bosfebok** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:32 am

Let's try it!!

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:25 am

If we can up the annual membership fee by about R10.00 it will easily cover the cost and i think it will be a bonus if you join the club and get a frequency to use?

Post by **Family_Dog** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:49 am

Pieter, start with a letter on the Club letterhead explaining what the Club is all about. Include a copy of the Constitution. I will handle the technical aspects of the application form.

No sense in doing it now anyway, all at ICASA are on leave but we can kick off next year. ICASA's financial year is April to March so we need to time it that, if approved, this only happens in April. But the application generally takes some 10 weeks to process so we can submit the application early Feb.

-F_D
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Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:55 am

Sounds good, I like

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:14 am

mcw · Post by **mcw** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:04 pm

Ultred · Post by **Ultred** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:49 pm

Good idea.

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MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:18 pm

Sounds gr8...

Oetie · Post by **Oetie** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:08 am

Sounds great, time for me to get my application in, on the to do list for 2014.

optirite · Post by **optirite** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:32 am

Please dont. Adds to the confusion.

As it is there are plenty channels/ frequencies being used:
ORRA1
ORRA2
ORRA3?
Marshal1
Marshal2
Marshal repeater
Lichtenburg repeater
LCCSA
Overland1
comes to mind and I know that I have missed plenty as well.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:33 pm

Excluding all the ORRA frequencies, I have around 26 separate VHF frequencies on my Company radios... now you will understand wgy I only sell Mobile Radios fitted with Alpha-Numeric screens to forum members... ;)

-F_D

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:01 am

we have as many channels, but we use each one for specific events and competitions, but i would like to make the Hilux channel my default channel, something we can use daily, for traffic updates, events, chats, locating fellow Hiluxers, etc. How nice will it be to drive into a town somewhere and find a Hilux buddy on the other side.

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:08 am

Okay so can someone explain how it works. I have a radio in my Hilux and other than when we are driving a trails and come to an agreement what channel we will be communicating on I don't use my radio. When my Hilux fuel pump packed up on the N2 the other day and I was stuck in some dodgy location while waiting for Hoppy my knight in a white Hilux to recover me, I tried putting my radio on to see if I could communicate with anyone and nobody was available on any channels. So what is the procedure? Do people with radio's drive with them on or only on trails? And if they drive with them on which channel should I be on. I think it seems a waste to have a radio and only use it for 4x4 trails or when we do overlanding trips with others with radios...

Should I have more channels programmed into my radio.... It would be great if there was some way that while I was driving in my Hilux I could communicate with others within the radio's range particularly if I was in a difficult situation, or not...

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:27 pm

Val, best is to simply leave your radio switched on to channel 1 - the new ORRA 1 channel, or alternatively channel 7, when driving. Channel 7 is the old ORRA 1 and it is inundated with security companies etc, some legal, some not. One cannot simply have additional channels programmed into a radio. You could, however, have a Neighbourhood Watch channel programmed into your radio assuming they're on VHF and you have the necessary permission from them.

One way of extending your communications range anywhere is by means of a Radio Repeater. All Radio Dealers usually operate one or more of these and the operating range is greatly enhanced, typically being anything between 30 to 80km radius from the repeater, depending on where the repeater is situated and the surrounding terrain. There is a monthly fee payable to the Radio Dealer, we charge R65 per radio per month but in major Metropolitan areas this could be higher.

All the more reason for Hoppy to move to Klerksdorp... I will give him free Repeater access! Now there's an incentive for the Oom! ;)

-F_D

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:28 pm

Thanks Eric.... Will try that and see if I pick up any communications on those channels when I'm driving. I know that when I have been travelling with a group of people on a trip we have sometimes picked up other people eg. construction workers on stop go's on our channel and sometimes in farm communities. Just thought it would be handy if there was a channel that communicated with anyone in range if there was an emergency situation in the city.... While on the subject of radio's am considering getting a handheld so that when I am travelling with someone without a radio they can use the handheld. What is the protocol, do I need a second licence and is there a handheld that I could use with my radio, and what is the distance within which we could communicate.

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:45 pm

Strictly speaking every device needs to be licensed. In other words if you have a mobile unit and a handheld, you need to licenses.

Depending on the terrain, you can get up to 5km range from a handheld and maybe even further

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:52 pm

CasKru wrote:Strictly speaking every device needs to be licensed. In other words if you have a mobile unit and a handheld, you need to licenses.

Did this not change? Or at least that is in the process of changing? Ek verbeel my ek het so iets raakgelees erens... Die eienaar word die gelisensieerde en kan enige hoeveelheid devices he, maar hy moet teenwoordig wees as hulle gebruik word of so iets... Of het ek te veel gummy-berry juice gesnuif?

Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:06 pm

Also thinks the channel will be nice, as said there are WAY to many others on the orra frequencies. Hard to talk throught delivery companies and security companies

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:31 pm

ThysdJ wrote:
CasKru wrote:Strictly speaking every device needs to be licensed. In other words if you have a mobile unit and a handheld, you need to licenses.
Did this not change? Or at least that is in the process of changing? Ek verbeel my ek het so iets raakgelees erens... Die eienaar word die gelisensieerde en kan enige hoeveelheid devices he, maar hy moet teenwoordig wees as hulle gebruik word of so iets... Of het ek te veel gummy-berry juice gesnuif?

Thys I also thought I might have read something like that but was'nt sure....

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:25 am

GI Jane wrote:
ThysdJ wrote:
CasKru wrote:Strictly speaking every device needs to be licensed. In other words if you have a mobile unit and a handheld, you need to licenses.
Did this not change? Or at least that is in the process of changing? Ek verbeel my ek het so iets raakgelees erens... Die eienaar word die gelisensieerde en kan enige hoeveelheid devices he, maar hy moet teenwoordig wees as hulle gebruik word of so iets... Of het ek te veel gummy-berry juice gesnuif?
Thys I also thought I might have read something like that but was'nt sure....

Not to sure about that. Radio amateurs are licensed in person and any device he operates are therefore "licensed". With ORRA the device and not the person is authorised... in other words the roles have swapped around.

Radio amateur - 1 license to many devices
Commercial - 1 license (device) to many users

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:34 am

I will go see if I can find where I lost my mind, but I am sure I heard that ICASA is busy changing the rules... But maybe oom Eric knows... He can tell us when he is back from holiday...

Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:11 am

CasKru wrote:Strictly speaking every device needs to be licensed. In other words if you have a mobile unit and a handheld, you need to licenses.

Depending on the terrain, you can get up to 5km range from a handheld and maybe even further

Cassie, that is how ICASA used to work, but all this changed a couple of years ago. Whereas previously every radio that was operated on a particular system was charged for, this no longer applies and the user of the radio/s now pays a fixed fee (R120 p.a. for a single frequency licence) irrespective of whether the user has one or 100 radios in his/her name.

-F_D

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:50 am

Okay Eric I know you are officially on leave, but think I will be needing a price list of handhelds, and a recommendation of which one you think is really good... when you can, please

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Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:28 pm

Well let's see... I shipped two parcels on Friday, six parcels yesterday, two again today... ;)

And I found out I am useless at wrapping large parcels. Tossing them into the Courier satchels is a better plan, but they do not always fit!

I have one Courier satchel left, it might just have your name on it, GI Jane!

Email sent :)

-F_D

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:59 pm

Family_Dog wrote:Well let's see... I shipped two parcels on Friday, six parcels yesterday, two again today... ;)

And I found out I am useless at wrapping large parcels. Tossing them into the Courier satchels is a better plan, but they do not always fit!

I have one Courier satchel left, it might just have your name on it, GI Jane!

Email sent :)

-F_D

Thanks Eric for always being so sharp... got the email.. leaving for Joburg on Friday so will see what I can work out.....

Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:29 pm

So whos checking out this again? So exited new year new radio frequency

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:05 pm

You can apply for it, but you will only get a licence for 50km around your home. And ICASA is no longer issuing "Club" licences. so each person would need to apply individually. hardly worth it.

I need to chat to them again and see if there is any chance of a change in this policy, but phoning ICASA has its pitfalls.

-F_D

louis fourie · Post by **louis fourie** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:10 pm

Family_Dog wrote:You can apply for it, but you will only get a licence for 50km around your home. And ICASA is no longer issuing "Club" licences. so each person would need to apply individually. hardly worth it.

I need to chat to them again and see if there is any chance of a change in this policy, but phoning ICASA has its pitfalls.

-F_D

Oom Eric, wat sê Oom nou. Moet ons nou individueel by ICASA aansoek doen vir 'n radio lisensie? Bestaan ORRA nie meer nie?

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Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:40 pm

louis fourie wrote:
Family_Dog wrote:You can apply for it, but you will only get a licence for 50km around your home. And ICASA is no longer issuing "Club" licences. so each person would need to apply individually. hardly worth it.

I need to chat to them again and see if there is any chance of a change in this policy, but phoning ICASA has its pitfalls.

-F_D
Oom Eric, wat sê Oom nou. Moet ons nou individueel by ICASA aansoek doen vir 'n radio lisensie? Bestaan ORRA nie meer nie?

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ORRA is nog heeltemal fine.

Hulle praat hier van as ons sou wou aansoek doen vir ons eie frekwensie

louis fourie · Post by **louis fourie** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:55 pm

Ooooo. Dankie

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Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:16 am

Uncle Eric,
i'm sure if you have a redbull and some Jagermeister the phone call will be much shorter

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:52 am

Hilux 1 wrote:Uncle Eric,
i'm sure if you have a redbull and some Jagermeister the phone call will be much shorter

might need a decent shot of these meds BEFORE phoning them ... might make little difference in the outcame, but if you have taken enough "meds" then the outcome wont sound as bad ....

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:17 pm

If a national frequency will mean adding R10.00 to our yearly subscription, i'm game.

It would be nice to use the new frequency at the annual GTG, is it possible?

Huismoeles · Post by **Huismoeles** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:31 pm

Ek sal my R10 ook betaal vir dit

Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:01 pm

ek sal tot R20 ekstra betaal

Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:42 pm

Hilux 1 wrote:Uncle Eric,
i'm sure if you have a redbull and some Jagermeister the phone call will be much shorter

That will only be necessary if they would just answer the phone! Since when have you been able to phone a Government body where they actually do this?

-F_D

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:42 pm

I'll also pay extra on annual subs

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:46 am

Agree with Neil...

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:49 am

ThysdJ wrote:Agree with Neil...

Oh do I have too?!

Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:00 am

jy hoef nie, maar as ek jy was HET ek maar

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:04 am

Agree with Tertius...

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:27 am

ThysdJ wrote:Agree with Tertius...

Agree with Thys

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:27 am

ThysdJ wrote:Agree with Tertius...

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Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:29 am

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:36 am

Just a question - Even if it is a National Frequency assigned to the Hilux Club, you will still only be able to send and receive as far as your equipment allow.

Why then not just assign one of our current channels (the frequency) as a "National Frequency", the one on which we drive around and you can contact the other members on that channel?

In other word, pick one that was available in the old Channels, like Old Channel 1 which is the same frequency as new Channel 5 (as an example, I did not go and check how they align) and communicate this to everyone that we always drive around on this channel and can be reached on this channel?

Would that not be easier? Just a thought, please let me know if I am missing the point of the exercise!

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:43 am

Cleaner wrote:Just a question - Even if it is a National Frequency assigned to the Hilux Club, you will still only be able to send and receive as far as your equipment allow.

Why then not just assign one of our current channels (the frequency) as a "National Frequency", the one on which we drive around and you can contact the other members on that channel?

In other word, pick one that was available in the old Channels, like Old Channel 1 which is the same frequency as new Channel 5 (as an example, I did not go and check how they align) and communicate this to everyone that we always drive around on this channel and can be reached on this channel?

Would that not be easier? Just a thought, please let me know if I am missing the point of the exercise!

Sal ook werk maar dit is nie exclusive nie... dink dit is die idee agter die exercise.

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:48 am

Ek sien, dankie Cassie. So ons soek eintlik 'n Hilux 4x4 only Frequency en Channel/s nou is ek met die discussion.

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Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:17 pm

Hi Ernst,

try and keep up. asb jy ry n vinnige wa so komaan

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:54 pm

Cleaner wrote:Ek sien, dankie Cassie. So ons soek eintlik 'n Hilux 4x4 only Frequency en Channel/s nou is ek met die discussion.

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so jy lees 9 en 5?

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:10 pm

7 uit 5 Cassie - Slow but solid learner

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:20 pm

Cleaner wrote:

7 uit 5 Cassie - Slow but solid learner

kggggggggggg roger that

Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:02 am

Sorry uncle Eric(hoe meer hande hoe ligter die werk), I also sommer did some investigations via email.
ICASA just phone me like 2 minutes ago, and good news indeed. They do still give out VHF country wide frequencies. Just waiting for Ilona to come back to me re the pricing and etc etc.

Uncle Eric, I will forward all to you or Cassie once I get all the paperwork she is sending to me.