Hilux 4x4 Forum

On behalf of Andries here are a few photo's of his various 4x4 vehicle's, he can add what he has done to the various vehicles.

What will my wife say :roll:





This is the same vehicle above but before Andries rebuilt it.

Various stages of the rebuild.



The dash been put back together, how many of you know what the dash looks like behind the cover?







The gearbox installed



The front axle after it had been overhauled.













Ok Andries we now need to hear from what you did, how long it took and what it cost

Verskoon asb. die Afrikaans, my Engels is nie te wat wonders nie.
Die rooi trok het ek vir R50 000 gekoop. Soos julle kon sien was sy oorspronklik geel. My buurman was baie beslis nie beindruk met die kleur nie en het kwaai "geonderhandel" oor 'n ander kleur en my vrou het die finale besluit gehad en gese Rooi. Ingesluit in die koopprys was 'n splinternuwe 4y, want in die bakkie was 'n 2C Turbo wat nie meer te gesond geklink het nie. Die ratkas het ook geraas in almal behalwe in 4de rat. Ek het haar heeltemal uitmekaar gehaal. Ratkas oopgemaak en al wat four was is die bearing op die input shaft was gedaan. Het onderstel oorgeverf en alle seels vervang. Het ook 'n nuwe mat en rooflining materiaal van Bloemfontein bestel. Wou die rooflining self maak maar vroulief se naaimasjien en ek het so bietjie moeilikheid opgetel, die :evil: wou nie stik soos hy moes nie, toe maar Ma se hulp ingeroep. Die mat het ek en vroulief gou-gou gemeet en gepas en ingesit.
Het 'n OME suspensie laat insit, haar ook by Steve's Auto Clinic gehad vir 'n Dyno en branch. Die seiltjie is bestel en die rollbar oorgeverf en opgesit. Het ook intussen mags opgesit. Die bakkie kos my op die huidige oomblik R65 000, maar is natuurlik baie meer werd en nie te koop nie, vroulief slag my lewendig af as ek dit sou waag. :D

Ek haal my hoed vir jou af, uitstekende stukkie werk.

Andries,

Is dit 'n genuine 4Y motor of die Chinese een? Die geel dipstick lyk dieselfde as myne, van China af!

-F_D
<I was going to sign off as -V_D, but that seems not such a good idea >

Family_Dog wrote:Andries,

-F_D
<I was going to sign off as -V_D, but that seems not such a good idea >

:? :? :? :?

Hello F/D!

Dit is 'n chinese 4Y engine. Het omtrent 15 000km gedoen sonder enige probleme.
Hoeveel km het joune al dedoen, is jy nog tevrede?
Andries :D

:roll: :? :? :? Yeah what does this mean

Hi Andries,

Myne het nou net so 3000km gedoen. Ek het die carbie las week vervang met 'n Weber 36, want die oorspronklike een het net vir my so 5.6km/l gegee. Die Weber trek nice, maar ek het hom nog nie op die ooppad gery nie om te toets vir konsumpsie.

Simon, I was asking if Andries has the Chinese motor in his SFA, as it looks the same as mine with the yellow dipstick. He does, and I have just mentioned that I have replaced my original Chinese carb with a Weber for (hopefully) better fuel consumption, I used to get about 5.6km/l on the open road at speeds of about 100-110km/hr (true GPS speed).

Spoke to Eben yesterday, they have a Chinese motor that has already done 200,000Km without any problems.

-F_D
<Tweetalige-Dog>
<Two-Tail_Dog>

What is the diffs between the real 4Y and the China model?
The Chinese 4Y you have in your vehicles now, will those be the same as what the GWM bakkies run on?

Hi Piet,

It looks like the identical engine is used in the GWM and also Shang(?) vehicles, except those are EFI as well. I am toying with finding out whether the GWM w/shop will be able to fit an EFI for my engine, but don't how capable their w/shop might be with such a conversion.

-F_D

pietpetoors wrote:What is the diffs between the real 4Y and the China model?
The Chinese 4Y you have in your vehicles now, will those be the same as what the GWM bakkies run on?

Same block but the GVM is the EFI variant of the 4Y.

I see in the states the also had 22RE (22R with EFI) and 22RTE (EFI with Turbo) engines in their 4Runners

Aparently GVM bought their complete engine plant from Toyota which they now use to make these engines. So if they do not use inferior alloys it should be as good as a "Geniune Toy Engine"

The carb on the Chinies engine looks crude, as if it was made in a furnace, not nicely as the oruginal 4Y engine carb as we know, but if it works leave it alone, My old man when he was alive always said,
" Simon never judge a book by its cover" it is what is inside that counts.

I wonder what the fuel injection would cost from this new bakkie.

Hi Family Dog!

Is dit 'n 36 Weber carb. "n Nuwe of tweede hands.
Waar het jy hom gekry?
Pas hy net so op die intake manufilt ?
Hoe het jy die excellarator kabel gepas.
Kan jy asb. 'n foto opsit van die carb conversion.
Dankie.

Andries

Hi Andries,

Dit is 'n tweede handse 36. hulle wou R1500 gehad vir 'n nuwe een, en R850 vir die tweedehandse een.

Ek het die job laat doen duer Piet "Carburettor" hier in Klerksdorp, hy spesialiseer in Carbs

Jy koop 'n "readymade" flange vir hom, wat pas op die manifold.

Weet nie, hy werk maar net :)

Ek gaan vir jou net nou fotos neem en hier opsit.

Ons moes die main jet verander van 135 tot 130 toe, die 135 is te groot en jy mors petrol.

Ek het ook dan 'n spesiaal bracket gekoop dat pas op die carb en dan kan jy die gewone Donaldson filter gebruik.

Voordele:
Hy start baie maklik op 'n koue oggend, maar die Chink een was net so goed met cold starts.

Hy voel vir my meer responsive, ek dink die Weber werk baie goed op die enjin.

-F_D

Auto Spares in Pretoria voer die webers in en verkoop. As jy vir hulle se jy soek 'n weber vir 4Y gee hulle jou die hele pakket met alles wat jy nodig het, adapters, regte jets, wieletjie vir accelerator kabel, etc.
Ek het ongelukkig nie meer hulle nommer nie en kry nie my Pretoria tellefoonboeke nie, miskien kan iemand in Pretoria help met die nommer. Hulle is daar langs die Lion Bridge in Kerk Straat.

Ek weet nie of hulle meer betsaan nie. Miskien het hulle geskuif maar daar waar hulle was by Leeuwbrug is deesdae nelson manDE LA RY Laan

Kom nie sommer vandag meer in daai deel van die woud nie.

Ok, here we are:

Note Accelerator cable linkage in photyos 1,2,& 4








Here we have the Donaldson Filter attachment










-F_D

Hello Family Dog!

The conversion of the weber carb looks quite nice. Please tell me the two pipes under the carb on the photo wich look like quickcuppelings is it for the hot box Please let me know when you have tested it on the open road what km/l it give you. My hilux D/C with the chinese engine gives me anything between 5.9 and 6.8, depending on how fast a drove? Will you also please give me Piet "carb" telephone number. Pretoria Auto Spares tel. no is:012 3233043.

Thanks for the info and photo's.

Andries

Hi Andre,

Yep, we never used the two pipes, never really gets that cold here and it is just something else which can leak.

I will get Piet's phone number tomorrow, have it at work.

My Hilux (DC) never gave me anything better than 5.6km/litre on the open road, which is why I have installed the Weber. Will definitely post the consumption when I've had a chance o test it.

-F_D

Andries,

Here is Piet Carburettor se nommer:

076-122-2929

-F_D

Firstly: Thank you Family Dog for the telephone number of Piet. A new Weber kit costs R3900 at Pretoria Auto Spares, everything incl. Secondly: did you know the Hilux's with a tailgait like mine(lights next to tailgait) , was imported through Botswana in the early 80's and we call them "Botswanaspek".

Andries :o

Hi Andries,

It's amazing just how many of these imported Hiluxes there are running around the country! Mine is also the imported one with the vertical tail lights - looks much better than the ugly tail lights Toyota installed in the locally built ones :)

Do you perhaps know what the diff ratio is of the imported Hilux?

-F_D

Let's try this picture thingie again...


-F_D

Hi Family Dog!

Die 4Y en 2.4Diesel's het 'n 4.875 diff ratio.
Die 2.4Petrol en 2.8Diesel het 'n 4.55 diff ratio

Andries

Hi Andries

The Toy looks great, :D Can I send you one to fix up because I don't have the patients to do this. In Cape Town you find a number of these oldies that need lots of attention. How long did the project take?

Andries wrote:Hi Family Dog!

Die 4Y en 2.4Diesel's het 'n 4.875 diff ratio.
Die 2.4Petrol en 2.8Diesel het 'n 4.55 diff ratio

Andries

Dankie Andries,

Weet jy miskien die diff ratio van 'n '85 2.4D SWB, 4x2? Myne het eers 'n diesel enjin gehad, toe sit die vorige eienaar 'n 3Y petrol motor in.

-F_D

Hi Family Dog!

Is nie 100% seker wat jou ratio is nie, sal vir jou uitvind maar ek dink dis 4.875.

Jou Toyota Hilux 2000 Petrol, 1979-1982 modelle, 4x2's se centre portion van diff pas net so op die 4x4's 4Y. Alles pas , selfde ratio, net jou side shafts is korter en is 'n 5gat rim pleks van 6.

Andries

Hello Niel!

It took me about 5 months to build up the Toy.

What year model are yours? What must be done? What engine does it have and how urgently do you want it?

Andries

How or what do you charge to do a job like your red Hilux, or do you charge by an hour, but is it a "Farmers Hour" or day rate?
:)

Hi "uncle" Simon!

We must call you uncle, because it seems to me eveybody on this website is 33 and you are almost 42.

I will charge a rate depending on the state of the vechicle? It is difficult to say how long I will work on a vechicle, because I must Farm to earn a living and look at the website to reply my mail.

Have a nice evening and sent my regards to Michelle( cannot call her aunt yet because she is still in her 30's)

Andries, the Farmer :D :D :D :D

Explain this photo



Farmer what do you farm

Must have been your friend in front with his Isuzu with the solid front Hilux axle fitted



Okay you did get through without any help :o

Andries

At this point I own a 2004 DC, KZTE but before I bought it I was seriously looking for a semi good condition SFA but as previously mentioned the ones in Cape Town is either ism (in sy m###/dinges) or the sellers wanted R95000 or more for it and that was just not reasonable in my opinion. They vehicle then needed body work and the diffs were leaking.......

When my wife said she is looking for comforts in the vehicle I decided on a later model IFS Toyota. Must stress the fact TOYOTA. I am always looking for something new and interesting to do especially if I have not done it before. So the idea grew to buy an older SFA and start a little project to restore it to its former glory. I don’t have the technical expertise but am willing to get my hands dirty and learn. I see that there are a number of guys here this sound like they don’t mind sharing their knowledge and can assist from remote i.e. yourself...

So when I saw your bakkies pictures the flame started burning again.

I will not be in a position to start a project like yours in the next 2 years for a number of reasons .

Hi Niel, I had the same problem with the prices of the SFAs. Just shows you how good value for money they are. In the end I bought a 2700i IFS for R78,000 which is less than some guys's SFA Luxes.

I do not see a picture of your Lux yet?

I would also not mind start building up a SFA, but I think that I am still a year from there.

Piet

At 78K it is a bargain. A colleague bought an IFS (also 2.7 DC, 4X4, 99 model) that needed a bit of attention for 102K and spent an additional amount to get it spotless. He might join us on the 4th. He also owns a SFA (2.2 with some conversion, DC, 1992 model I think, OME) in good condition. I tried swindling him out of it but he said he will rather keep it than selling it for less than 95K.
Bennie this is his wife’s “platkar” – pity because the OME have not even done 1000km and the conversion gives him the extra power that the 2.2 did not have

Did you spend additional or was the vehicle in good condition that you could add the additional extras that you wanted? What extras have you added to date?

Pictures to follow.

Would love to start re- building that SFA DC. I hear that their parts are relatively cheap. Saw on the forum that you can buy a motor from Midas amongst others for fairly cheap. Maybe reconsider the rebuilding issue.

Hi Niel
It has 337,000 km on the clock. So you can see that it has been used a lot, but not mis-used. The cover plates under the gearbox do not even have scratches on (yet). So the body have some minor scratches but otherwise it is perfect. I got it with the NudgeM bull bar and spots, I added the 31" Coopers and as we speak I am busy building rock sliders for it. O, and after I had it for 4000Km (1st month) I heard the rear silencer was starting to go, so the last time I went to CPT is replaced it with a stainless one. I also had the windows darkened so that the old lady and children can stop moaning about the sun and stop stuffing towels in the window.

Niel,

Apparently the Chinese 4Y engine is built from the same engine plant that Toyota used. The plant was sold to China. Anyway, although I've heard a few (minor) negative reports about this engine, I have heard of far more success stories on it. I'm very happy with mine!

-F_D

From your Uncle

I wonder what these two "Farmers" are trying to do in this photo :? :o

SC

I will rather be the guy on the back of the bakkie he seems to be the chap giving the orders. He does not get his hands dirty ..... Maybe they were part of the "Genie korps" inthe SANDF?

Dearest Uncle

"'n Boer maak 'n plan" they say, we saw that the Isuzu would not be able to finish the obstacle without a little bit of help. Farmers are known as people who will help fellow men in need and can make a plan fast.

Neil, the army is not the same without us, that is why they are "down the drain".

Andries :roll: :roll: :roll:

I really like the red DC Andries I only hope mine will look that good when all is done 8)

Andries, fully agree wonder what their new motto is: love you to death?

I spoke to Andries this evening and he says that he is experiencing sime internet problems, thus said that he is also busy in the barn, trying to sort out an altinator so that he can operate his invertor so that he can turn the computor on and also charge the @#@@^&^% cell phone batteries, he says that he misses you guys.

Andries, what do you use to paint the chassis with. I think my chassis needs a new layer of paint. What must I use?

Hello Piet!

I am back with a bit of luck, but struggle to get in and stay in, they are upgrading our cellphone towers.

Firts you have to use sand paper to remove all the old paint.
Then you must spray a primer, i use MS primer, then you spray it with 2K Black paint.( Lekker @#$%%%# werk, geniet dit).

Speak to you guys tonight if enerything goes well and i can get in.

Andries

Some more Photo's from Andries, they flooded my inbox

He can explain what he was trying to do here

Hi Simon!

Thanks for the pics. We will try to not flood your poor inbox next time, but it happens when you want pics.(Delete works you know!)

I was testing the OME suspension after installion earlier that week.
I have my own "testgrounds" on the farm.
I am very impressed and happy with it. You know someone with a hilux is always looking for a reason to "play"!

Andries

Andries did your wife fit the OME or did she help you again this time

Hi Simon!

My wife might be blond but she can do everything, so beware!

Andries

very funny, my wife is blonde and she can do most things, I know your wife sure can make nice potato salad "lekker hey" tell her to make some for next Saturday if you come to Queenstown

Check out in other vehicles and around the campfire

My Toy's!



Ek het dit REGGEKRY, UITEINDELIK!!!!!!!!!!!

Geluk Andries

Ek is bly om te sien jy het die photo upload reg gekry. Ek het die post geskuif om hier by die res van jou goed te pas.

Hi Andries, your bakkies are looking good. I see you describe 2 but there are 3 in the pic what is the 3rd one?

Hi Andries,

Geluk!


-F_D

The blue Hilux is my brother-in-law's bakkie. It was my second build up bakkie. He bought it in Lesotho for R 11 000. It was a total wreck. It is a 1986 4Y. It will post some photo's of us test driving it. He also fitted OME suspension, with "Pitbull" tyres.

Andries

Nog 'n foto.