Fortuner - 3.0D-4D or 4L V6

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:49 am

I was planning on acquiring a new (second hand) family vehicle next year. This plan has now been brought forward with the rolling of my Lux (It will be restored but in the meantime I will have to get my 4x4 fixes as well and I want to take my time and properly restore the Lux).

I'm looking at 2006 to 2009 Fortuners. In your opinion, all things considered like longevity, fuel consumption, reliability, running costs etc... what would be the better option to go, the Diesel or Petrol?

What is the pros and cons either side?

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:54 am

JEEP WRANGLER TJ

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:57 am

For long distance traveling and fuel consumption go for the D4D... For hooliganism (which it seems you are familiar with

) and sheer power go for the 4.0 V6...

If you are going to use it in traffic a lot, then diesel is the way to go.

Reliability are equal..

Die enigste plek waar die V6 eintlik die D4D outperform is in die sand en dan ook maar met net klein bietjie.. en julle het nie eintlik sand daar bo nie.. In die klippers is die D4D bobaas..

stephanvaneeden · Post by **stephanvaneeden** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:08 am

Ek het 'n outomatic D4D, brandstof verbruik is dieselfde as die 4.0 l, was al 'n paarkeer spyt ek het nie vir die 4.0 l gegaan nie.

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:33 am

Sjoe, moeilike een tjom. Ek het self 'n 4l V6 en wens partykeer weer dit was 'n D4D. Al rede is dat jy meer en makliker aan hom kan karring om beter fuel consumption en krag te kan kry.

Die petrol het klaar die krag, en genoeg daarvan. Die diesel kry effens beter verbruik, veral op langer paaie. Ek sou sê dit is 6 van die een en halfdosyn van die ander.

Wat jy gaan kan kry en teen watter prys, gaan jou keuse bepaal!

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Post by **CasKru** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:34 am

stephanvaneeden wrote:Ek het 'n outomatic D4D, brandstof verbruik is dieselfde as die 4.0 l, was al 'n paarkeer spyt ek het nie vir die 4.0 l gegaan nie.

Interessant. Ek was so half onder die indruk dat die D-4D so 10km/L geen en die V6 so 7 of 8km/L

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:35 am

Cleaner wrote:Sjoe, moeilike een tjom. Ek het self 'n 4l V6 en wens partykeer weer dit was 'n D4D. Al rede is dat jy meer en makliker aan hom kan karring om beter fuel consumption en krag te kan kry.

Die petrol het klaar die krag, en genoeg daarvan. Die diesel kry effens beter verbruik, veral op langer paaie. Ek sou sê dit is 6 van die een en halfdosyn van die ander.

Wat jy gaan kan kry en teen watter prys, gaan jou keuse bepaal!

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Dis nou juis die ding... die mark is vol 4L V6's teen relatiewe pryse en kilos. Die D-4D is baie skaarser

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:46 am

Dit is wat ek ook gesien het toe ek myne gekoop het. D4D's is skaar en duur as jy hulle kry. Voor jy koop, maak vrede met die fuel consumption, regardless. Daarna gaan alles makliker af.

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Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:49 am

Hey Cassie, I love my V6, but some days, with lots of inner city driving, I think this beast is too thirsty. I need an inner city fuel sipping vehicle, maybe an Aygo!

Then again the V6 is super reliable, services are the same cost as my wife's Honda Civic... what is the service cost on a D4D??... and what are the interval??

For me a 2nd hand diesel has always been a bit scary, you never know how the previous owner drove it, and the TD engine can't handle the same amount of abuse the V6 can. I've heard of quite a few D4D with injector problems, and those injectors are hellishly expensive...

We went camping this weekend, on the open road fully loaded, the V6 has no problem maintaining 120km/h+... and since Hoppy gave the engine some much needed TLC, the fuel consumption has comes down quite a bit!

Guess my vote is the V6!

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:51 am

My D4D gee 10.4km/l in die stad... en rondom 9km/l op toer vol gelaai.... Daar is 'n rede hoekom daar so baie V6's op die mark is... dit word petrolprys genoem..

Ek luister so na die manne met die V6's hier in die Kaap.. hulle almal kla oor die brandstofverbruik... maar as jy hulle raad vra oor watter een jy moet kies beveel almal aan jy gaan V6... hulle wil nie alleen suffer nie..

Kyk, as geld nie 'n kwessie was nie het ek ook met 'n V6 gery.. daai klank is darem net te mooi..

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:00 am

Thanks Bretton... Thys. I will still be driving the Loopring to office and back still and Linda would be driving the Fortuner the most of the time.

Fuel consumption is definitely an issue but there is about a R40K difference in vehicle price between a Diesel and petrol with the same mileage so how long will I have to drive to make up that difference taking the original cost and interest on the loan into account

JEEPIE · Post by **JEEPIE** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:02 am

ai ai ai

Shimano · Post by **Shimano** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:05 am

Ek het altwee gehad. Eers die D4D en nou die V6. Hulle is albei goed maar as ek weer moet kies dan sal dit weer die V6 wees. Hy is "super smooth" met oor as genoeg krag en doen dit net vir my. Dan ook weer ek gebruik hom nie daagliks nie anders sou ek heel moontlik die diesel weer oorweeg het. Gaan ry altwee en besluit self en as jy kan vat hulle off road en beleef die verskil.
My droom natuurlik is n SFA met so 4.0 V6 conversion - ai hy sal darem net reg wees. Daai V6 is gatskop lekker.

Thabogrobler · Post by **Thabogrobler** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:14 am

Ek ken 2 manne wat Fortuners het, een 'n V6 auto, die ander die diesel, manual.

Hulle sleep identiese waentjie en ry baie keer saam.

As hulle sleep gee die V6 5.5km/L en die diesel 6.5km/L.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:23 am

Cassie, simple choice - buy both! ;)

All things being more or less equal, once a petrol head, always a petrol head, so I would say the V6 would be the better choice in the long run.

-F_D

stephanvaneeden · Post by **stephanvaneeden** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:27 am

Thabo, dis die verskil wat die ratkas maak, my auto gee ook 5.5 as ek sleep. My gevoel is die auto hanteer nie al die ekstras wat opgesit is nie. Cooper ST Max ook 'n no go saam daai ratkas.

Post by **george** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:33 am

Of wat van 'n PraDog. Laat Jy kry hulle vir lekker pryse

Kaiser11490 · Post by **Kaiser11490** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:42 am

Voor ek die Hilux gekoop het, het ek gereeld die V6 een gery. Baie betroubaar Petrol is bietjie duur (ek het so 7km/l average gekry), maar soos jy sê R40000 of so geodkoper as die diesel 2de hands. Ek het die selfde som so ruk terug gemaak om te kyk hoe ver moet jy ry om die geld terug te maak.

Die som wat ek 'n ruk terug gemaak het as jy aanneem dat die V6 kry 7km/l (my ondervinding) en 10km/l vir die diesel (vriend se average) en dat petrol en diesel beide R13.50 kos per liter. Dan moet jy 70 000 km ry voor jy jou geld terug gemaak het. Ek het ook al gehoor die diesel se onderhoud is bietjie duurder, maar dink dit hang af van motor tot motor.

Rianc · Post by **Rianc** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:44 am

Ek persoonlik het altyd net in petrol geglo! Tot een dag toe n' 3d4d vigo my IFS 2.7! se gat geskop het! Ek kon dit nie glo nie! Ek was reguit na die naaste agentskap en 'n 3d4d vigo gekoop, nog nooit spyt gewee nie. Ek het nou die 3d4d Frotuner en sy verbuik is egter (onverklaarbaar) beter as die van my vigo. Langpad tussen 10.5 en 11 km/l. In die stad, baie swaar verkeer elke dag (gemiddeld 1 uur reavel vir 25 km) tussen 8.5 en 9km/l. Dis werklike syfers, nie die van die instrumente panel nie (dis met sowat 0.6km/l uit).

Soos die manne sê, dis maar 'n persoonlike ding, maar ek is klaar met petrol karre en het selfs my corolla vir 'n C220 CDI diesel geruil.

Pote · Post by **Pote** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:52 am

Ek het die D4D en ek is baie mal oor hom. My gemiddelde verbruik is 10.4km/L. Dit is werk toe en trug elke dag.
Op die ooppad het ek al 11.6 gekry met hom.

IVM die onderhoud. Die dienste kos my so R2300.00 elke 10000km wat ek nie dink is sleg nie. Kan nie se wat is die petrol se dienste nie......

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:50 pm

Interesant....
Cassie ek is bly jy moet kies en nie ek nie.
Maar 'n vriend van my se pa het so maand terug sy LTD SFA verkoop en 'n 2006 4.0 V6 Fortuner gekoop.
Nou die oubaas ry nou nie soos ek nie

Maar sy trip computer sê 8.5 Km/l
Hy het hom gekry by die handelaar
Daar was ook 'n 2 x 4 2006 3.0D4D Fortuner met die selfde kilos op vir R50 000 meer........

Sterkte met die soektog.

Pote · Post by **Pote** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:14 pm

CasKru wrote:I was planning on acquiring a new (second hand) family vehicle next year. This plan has now been brought forward with the rolling of my Lux (It will be restored but in the meantime I will have to get my 4x4 fixes as well and I want to take my time and properly restore the Lux).

I'm looking at 2006 to 2009 Fortuners. In your opinion, all things considered like longevity, fuel consumption, reliability, running costs etc... what would be the better option to go, the Diesel or Petrol?

What is the pros and cons either side?

Cassie

In that range you are looking at a price of between R180k and R260k Depending on what you settle at.

Try this guy. I got mine there and his service is ver good.
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VANS · Post by **VANS** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:12 pm

Cas, we have 2x Fortuners at work. They are both awesome to drive, but if i was going to buy one, I would definatel take the D4D as i have personally driven both at Kungwini and found the Diesel was easier to drive. Our d4d gets between 9-10 km per a litre and the V6 averages 6-7 lt per km. Those figures are what Fleet send to us monthly.
Both of these figures are combined figures. Hope it helps.

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:15 pm

Careful guys... watch out for these Klerksdorp folks... they sneaky with their good service!

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:16 pm

Thanks guys

werewolf · Post by **werewolf** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:28 pm

If you can and l know they are hard to find and the guys don't want to really part with is a Fortuner V6 with a manual gearbox.

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:29 pm

Cassie Smaak my jy moes maar vir die manne 'n opsie gegee het om te vote.....

Soos hier

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swartvark · Post by **swartvark** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:38 pm

I traded-in a 2009 4.0 V6 Fortuner 4x4 Auto with 92000kms and all the extras (old man Emu etc) on an Amarok last month. Book trade was R280k but Toyota would only cover me for R230k..."because they are heavy on fuel".........They would have paid much closer to Book Value if it was a 2009 Diesel.

I also traded-in a 2012 D-4D 4x2.........most Toyota dealers would not even give me a cover, "because the market is flooded with those models".......I ended up giving it to a Dealer for R280k...about R50k under Trade.

SO.........my advise: Buy a 2009 V6 for cheap cause you are gonna get a lot of car and FUN for little money ..........make sure that you negotiate a very good price..........you can because Toy dealers seem to be scared of keeping them on their showroom floor.

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:42 pm

In 2050 when the fuel price crashes... us V6 petrol owners will be laughing in our graves! lol!

stephanvaneeden · Post by **stephanvaneeden** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:56 pm

Tiaan het die regte advies, na my mening.

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:03 pm

Cassie die Oubaas waar van ek gepraat het mt die V6
2006 4.0 V6 Fortuner 200 000KM hy het R139900 betaal.
as jy so iets kry KOOP hom V6 of nie M2C

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:08 pm

GeorgeJvR wrote:Cassie die Oubaas waar van ek gepraat het mt die V6
2006 4.0 V6 Fortuner 200 000KM hy het R139900 betaal.
as jy so iets kry KOOP hom V6 of nie M2C

Thanks... het dalk 'n contact daar in Hoedpsruit wat my dalk kan help soek

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:36 pm

george wrote:Of wat van 'n PraDog. Laat Jy kry hulle vir lekker pryse

Now you're talking! Far better value than a Fortuner, more comfort, better ride, lower purchase price.

I was going to suggest it earlier, but thought peeps might think I was just a tad biased ;)

Oh, and silver is the only colour to consider for a PraDog :)

-F_D

The Legend · Post by **The Legend** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:05 pm

Ek sal ook gaan vir die 3L DVD se goeie ekononiese diesel verbruik.Ek is self n diesel fan

Moes so n paar jaar dieselfde besluit neem toe ek moes kies tussen die Jetta 5 TDI en die petrol FSI.Het toe vir die TDI gegaan en nog nie n dag spyt daaroor nie.Brandstof verbruik is uitstekend.

Dit lyk my die catch kom wanneer daardie diesel masjien oorgedoen moet word.So het n VW meccie nou die dag vir my gese het-"Jy lag nou al die pad vir die goeie diesel verbruik maar die dag as jy daardie diesel masjien moet oordoen betaal jy weer al daardie geld wat jy gespaar het op diesel terug aan herstel kostes"

Miskien is hy reg-wie sal weet.

Black Sam · Post by **Black Sam** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:13 pm

Cassie ek het n 4.0 V6 Auto en het so bietjie navorsing gedoen saam met die Toyota manne, wat jy wen met diesel se brandstof verbruik wen jy weer met die petrol se dienste, so daar is nie juis n bespaaring met enige van die twee nie.
Die krag van die petrol is vir my weer beter, ek is nie spyt nie. Op die einde van die dag is dit jou besluit maar ek glo elke ou se insette kan jou help. Ek kan nie kla oor my verbruik nie ek ry baie langpad en average so tussen 12 - 13 L/100km. M2CW

antlo69 · Post by **antlo69** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:42 pm

Cassie, solank jou volgende ryding 'n Toyota kenteken het sal jy goed doen.

Post by **Haboob** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:23 pm

Have a 2010 camper3.0 D4D and am averaging 9+ km/l. Keep a logbook with every drop of fuel used & work out the consumption with every top up. Am happy everytime I visit the fuel pumps. My previous vehicle was the 2.4 P & was too scared to use it without first having a fight with the bank manager about the fuel costs. I understand that the new 2.5 D4D Fortuners, are giving very good consumption figures. My 3.0 l is not chipped as I do not believe that the extra pressure in the engine will do anything for engine reliability, but I do have the exhaust without the Cats & less twists & turns in the silencer boxes. This has also improved my consumption. Good luck with your choice.

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:57 pm

Thanks for all the input guys.... It seems they are about equal expense wise so I'll rather go with the cheaper and more available option at the moment. And the fact that I'm a petrol head helps with that decision....

The problem is my voice of reasoning has started talking to me again and is telling me this will be an emotional move... So think I must give it some time

Rianc · Post by **Rianc** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:59 pm

Net vir interesantheid, as jy hoër waarde van die diesel 3d4d voertuig betaal, kry jy dalk net jou geld terug op die ou end van die dag. Seker nie in alle gevalle nie, maar ek het dit so ervaar. Ek het my 2007 DC 4x4 einde 2008 gekoop vir R185k by Zeda Cars, 55 000km op. Begin van hierdie jaar het ek hom ingeruil op 'n 3d4d Fortuner 4x4. Die inruil boekie waarde was R142k en is R182 aangebied, 124000km op die klok en standard buiten die voorste spacers en nuwe bande. Ek het my canopy ingesluit vir verdere R2000 en spots vir R1000 (beide was nie op die voertuig tydens die koop nie) en het 'n tjek ontvang vir R185k. Die voertuig was net soos ek hom afgelewer het op die vloer getrek vir R230k, en het in 2ure verkoop. Ek weet dit want ek het die volgende dag terug gegaan, het my usb onder die agter sitplek vergeet, en moes toe na die nuwe eienaar se huis ry om dit te gaan optel. Op my IFS petrol het ek die helfte minder gekry as wat ek betaal het.

So in kort, of ek was baie gelukkig of die 3d4d's hou net hulle pryse beter as die petrols. Ek dink die keuse berus daarby, as jy hom koop en klaar ry en nie weer gaan upgrade nie, kan jy die petrol koop, want die inruil waarde gaan jou byt.
Sterkte
RianC

FJCruiser-ZN · Post by **FJCruiser-ZN** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:38 pm

4L V6! The power is awesome...

Jhb to Durban I got 9.5km/l @ 110kph.

Average around Durban 8.1km/l

T

Rianc · Post by **Rianc** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:54 pm

Tony, the altitude does play some role with normal aspired motors on the Highveld. Well, good consumption on your side!

FJCruiser-ZN · Post by **FJCruiser-ZN** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:11 pm

Rianc wrote:Tony, the altitude does play some role with normal aspired motors on the Highveld. Well, good consumption on your side!

FJ had 0km's on the clock so I didn't want to gas it. At 110 purrs at just under 2000rpm.
Got close to 2000km's now so I have experienced its awesome power.
Can't wait for our bots trip in April.
Big, big difference between the FJ and my old 2.7i.
The 2.7i was running around 5km/l so I'm happy with 8
T

Rianc · Post by **Rianc** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:19 pm

Lekker Tony, enjoy you trip. It does save not to put the pedal to the metal??

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:08 pm

MOFASA wrote:JEEP WRANGLER TJ

The writing is on the wall if one looks at how many members are getting Jeeps

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:04 am

kfxnando wrote:
MOFASA wrote:JEEP WRANGLER TJ

The writing is on the wall if one looks at how many members are getting Jeeps

5 out of almost 9000... yes I have to agree

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:36 am

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:35 am

Give time, the conversion proses is just off to a slow start

in time more will see the light

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:40 am

kfxnando wrote:Give time, the conversion proses is just off to a slow start

in time more will see the light

Personally I dont want them to see the light.. much more fun that way...

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:34 am

Cassie

There's no discussion needed - PRADO 120 V6.

You can pick them up with "just-run-in" motors for around R180-R250 depending on what year model. Maybe look around 2006.

I changed from a "bullet" Subaru STI and haven't looked back once - LOVE my Prado.

"also the Prado's are not on the midnight shopping list "