Hilux 2.4 or 2.2

offroad nut · Post by **offroad nut** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:03 am

Hi All

I am looking at buying a Toyota Hilux 91 to 97 model , what I would like to know is which one a 93 2.2 Dc or a 95 2.4 Dc if anyone can help with the pro's and con's of each model it will be of a great help

Thanks in advance

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:14 am

Welcome to the forum Gary.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:55 am

Welcome Gary!

IMO the 2.2 is a better off-road motor ... slow and underpowered on the open roads (you should still able to do 120 - legal limit, except for hills), but the low rev torque is better than the 2.4. It's also marginally more economical to run ... with an EFI conversion that motor is a lot improved. Vastly easier to work on. The downside is finding one with relatively low mileage.

That all being said the 2.4 is not a bad motor ... also a bit slow on the open road, reliable but thirsty.

Other than that the rest of the vehicles are basically the same ..... some cosmetic changes to the later models. The 2.2's were never offered with diff-lock as a standard feature, but the later 2.4 Raider models had it as standard.
Not all the 2.2 units had air-con and power steering whereas this was standard with the 2.4 to the best of my knowledge.

Good luck with your decision.

niclemaitre · Post by **niclemaitre** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:09 am

My 2.4 doesn't have A/C so that wasn't standard (it does have power steering) but opening the little quarter-light windows does a great job!

zepplin · Post by **zepplin** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:11 am

Nic, all 22R Raider models came with AC & PS - even the single cabs. Sure your's doesn't just have a sticker kit on it?

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:32 am

Well I can't comment on the 2.2 have'nt driven one, but I have a 98, 2.4, and I must say it is thirsty, but I like the additional power that I have on the open road and offroad... Don't find hills too much of a mission, unless they are very steep then I lose some momentum, but found that if not very heavily loaded or towing my heavy trailer 120km per hour is very comfortable on the open road, even up some hills.....in fact if not careful I have a heavy foot and can comfortably travel at 140 kph, but then I need to stop at every fuel station on the way...

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:35 pm

Mud Dog wrote:The 2.2's were never offered with diff-lock as a standard feature...

With the 2.2 it wasn't needed... but with the 2.4 it's a must... hehe!

Oh and welcome Gary!

niclemaitre · Post by **niclemaitre** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:57 pm

It must have had a sticker kit... One more piece of BS I was sold with it... <sigh>

It's ok though, it needs the extra ~5kW for hills :)

offroad nut · Post by **offroad nut** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:55 pm

Thanks a million for the great response,and thanks for all the welcome's
GI Jane what is your average Km /Litre on the 2.4

Thanks Gary

the BuTch3R · Post by **the BuTch3R** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:29 pm

Hi Gary,

Welcome to the forum. I've owned both the 2.2 and the 2.4 and although the 2.2 is a classic, I prefer the performance of the 2.4. Being in a hurry is an option

It is thirsty though. I get on average 5.5km/l with the 2.4 and got about 6.5km/l with the 2.2.

Also, the 2.2 is more popular amongst affirmative shoppers :shifty:

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:45 pm

offroad nut wrote:Thanks a million for the great response,and thanks for all the welcome's
GI Jane what is your average Km /Litre on the 2.4

Thanks Gary

On the open road I get about 6.5 km per litre at an average of 120km.... But then I must tell you I have 2 fuel tanks, 140litres, a drawers system, carry 2 spare wheels on trips, jerry can holder with 2 jerry cans, all added weight which has pushed it up.. on the way to Joburg now, fully loaded for 2 weeks of overlanding, I averaged between 6.2-6.5k per litre...

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:53 pm

I have a Efi'd 2.4 and mine runs alongside the 2.7 IFS models. My fuel consumption is between 7 and 8km/l.

Rooies · Post by **Rooies** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:26 pm

Diff lock was not standard on the 2.4. In my Hilux i found a copy of the build sheet and mine was build in May of 94, only from 96 diff lock was standard.
Also have an EFi on my 2.4 and i average 7 - 8 km/lt. With the Bushwakka trailer (+/-850kg) i got 5.5km/lt this weekend at about 105km/h.

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:41 pm

Rooies wrote:Diff lock was not standard on the 2.4. In my Hilux i found a copy of the build sheet and mine was build in May of 94, only from 96 diff lock was standard.
Also have an EFi on my 2.4 and i average 7 - 8 km/lt. With the Bushwakka trailer (+/-850kg) i got 5.5km/lt this weekend at about 105km/h.

My consumption is about the same when I tow my bushwakka trailer...

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:07 pm

Rooies wrote:Diff lock was not standard on the 2.4. In my Hilux i found a copy of the build sheet and mine was build in May of 94, only from 96 diff lock was standard.
Also have an EFi on my 2.4 and i average 7 - 8 km/lt. With the Bushwakka trailer (+/-850kg) i got 5.5km/lt this weekend at about 105km/h.

I was referring to the Raider models. AFAIK it was standard.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:25 am

Mud Dog wrote:
Rooies wrote:Diff lock was not standard on the 2.4. In my Hilux i found a copy of the build sheet and mine was build in May of 94, only from 96 diff lock was standard.
Also have an EFi on my 2.4 and i average 7 - 8 km/lt. With the Bushwakka trailer (+/-850kg) i got 5.5km/lt this weekend at about 105km/h.
I was referring to the Raider models. AFAIK it was standard.

Nope... not on the early models. Mine is a 94 model and has an aftermarket diffloc

offroad nut · Post by **offroad nut** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:45 am

What is an EFi conversion and what does it cost

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:52 am

offroad nut wrote:What is an EFi conversion and what does it cost

Fuel injection... ranges from R10K to R18K... depending on price of spares, labour and parts availability

offroad nut · Post by **offroad nut** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:12 am

Thanks

Rooies · Post by **Rooies** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:53 am

You right Cassie, spoke to someone at Toyota and in 95 they started building them with diff locks standerd and one or two made it into our market but generaly from 96 the Raider had diff lock as standard.

Evert Deyzel · Post by **Evert Deyzel** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:20 am

Johann Prinsloo on this forum has a 96 DC 22R.
No difflock

cheers
Evert

Evert Deyzel · Post by **Evert Deyzel** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:31 am

I think the difflock was an option but on the LTD it was standard

raider · Post by **raider** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:17 pm

We own a 96' 2.4 raider since new and did not come with a/c or difflock as standard. It came with everything except those two items.

zepplin · Post by **zepplin** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:21 pm

raider wrote:We own a 96' 2.4 raider since new and did not come with a/c or difflock as standard. It came with everything except those two items.

Something very 'fishy' there.
Was it financed through Toyota Financial Services by any chance??

Post by **pietpetoors** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:14 pm

Very much of a muchness. What I have read and heard in the past years they very much the same. The little bit of extra power you gain on 2.4 is cancelled out by fuel consumption. If you go for fuel injection conversion you can do it on a 2.2 as well.

I would go for the one in best condition with lowest kilos and which seems the best value for money and not worry about the size of the engine.

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:18 pm

Evert Deyzel wrote:I think the difflock was an option but on the LTD it was standard

That is what I was told when I bought my 98 LTD.....

After reading some of the comments on this thread and in other places on the forum.. I have become even more aware of how 'skelm' car sales people and some private individuals can be when selling a second hand vehicle.... and how carefully you must check a vehicle out before buying it...

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:25 pm

zepplin wrote:
raider wrote:We own a 96' 2.4 raider since new and did not come with a/c or difflock as standard. It came with everything except those two items.
Something very 'fishy' there.
Was it financed through Toyota Financial Services by any chance??

Could be that it was manufactured in 1995 but only registered in 1996 making it a "96" model with a 1995 spec

niclemaitre · Post by **niclemaitre** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:30 pm

<throws oil on the fire>
Mine is a 97 (according to Toyota) and it doesn't have a diff lock either but it was a Namibian model so maybe their spec was different. The LTD models had a difflock as standard but maybe it was only an option on the Raiders...

offroad nut · Post by **offroad nut** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:49 pm

Thanks pietpetoors that is what I shall do , still looking, some people want to sell real scrap advertise excellent cond but when you have a good look definitely not worth the money

oom dan · Post by **oom dan** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:08 pm

ours is a 1996 raider came with aircon no diff lock was'nt diff lock an after market option, can't remember any toyota bakies of that vintage having one. little difference between 2.2 & 2.4 as the guys say go for overall condition

raider · Post by **raider** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:58 pm

CasKru wrote:
zepplin wrote:
raider wrote:We own a 96' 2.4 raider since new and did not come with a/c or difflock as standard. It came with everything except those two items.
Something very 'fishy' there.
Was it financed through Toyota Financial Services by any chance??
Could be that it was manufactured in 1995 but only registered in 1996 making it a "96" model with a 1995 spec

No, it was not purchased through T.F.S. It's a single cab and was meant for work purposes so a/c was not a concern for us at the time. It could've been a 1995 spec, but i have not seen many raiders with the alloys we have and the light blue decal.

Post by **JohanM** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:40 pm

Toyota has a S spec 22R double cab hilux that had power steering fitted and up to 1998 these S Spec series models never had diff locks fitted as standard by Toyota.

The raiders had, tinted windows all round, action option (wide tyres, wheel arch flares, tonneau cover, roll bar, tow bar, bullbar & side steps, air con, radio tape, central locking, bucket front seats and also alarm/immobiliser).

These Raiders were launched in 1997 with the diff lock fitted as standard. The Diff lock was also fitted to the 4x2 raider model bakkies as well. Only these models.

raider · Post by **raider** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:05 pm

Sounds like we got the action pack without the a/c, because everything else listed is on the hilux.

offroad nut · Post by **offroad nut** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:20 am

Hi All
Managed to get hold of a 2.2 Dc 93 model with 203000 km in great cond

Thanks again for all the info

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:21 am

offroad nut · Post by **offroad nut** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:29 pm

Will post when I get back from Bots

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