Radio Licencing Procedure for Hilux4x4 Club Members

Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:48 am

There are two means of obtaining a Radio Licence for use in a 4x4 Vehicle:

1. A Private Radio Communication Licence, 29MHz AM or VHF/FM with limited area coverage, or

2. Approval through ORRA. For our purposes, this is what we will be discussing in this thread.

A discussion on the merits of different types and modes of two-way radios is discussed here: TWO-WAY RADIO CONSIDERATIONS FOR 4X4 DRIVERS

The use of 29MHz is pretty much country-wide within RSA's borders, but a Private VHF/FM RF Licence is limited to a 50km radius of your home address and thereby pretty much useless for general use throughout South Africa. Hence the Forum's decision to form a Club and become a member of the OFF ROAD RADIO ASSOCIATION.

Applying for a VHF or AM licence through the ORRA allows you, as a paid-up member of the Hilux4x4 Club, to make use of their frequencies throughout the country, and the VHF frequencies are roving frequencies for use anywhere within the borders of RSA.

NEW ORRA BAND PLAN 2012:

ORRA has recently announced the new channel plan which will become standard amongst all member clubs. This offers advantages over the previous channel plan and it has been designed that users no longer suffer from annoying chatter from other users of the old ORRA channels, whether legal or illegal. All VHF radios supplied by Repcom will now be programmed as such:

NEW ORRA CHANNEL PLAN JANUARY 2012

CH 1 ORRA 1 161.**** Tone 1 (Old Ch 4)
CH 2 ORRA 2 160.**** Tone 1
CH 3 ORRA 3 161.**** Tone 2
CH 4 ORRA 4 160.**** Tone 2
CH 5 ORRA 5 152.**** Tone 1 (Old Ch 2)
CH 6 ORRA 6 152.**** Tone 2
CH 7 ORRA 7 152.**** No Tone (Old Ch 1)
CH 8 ORRA 8 161.**** No Tone (Old Ch 3)

All radios have to be on the same channel in order to communicate. Radios that were programmed on the older channel plan are still able to communicate with newer radios but only on the channels as shown above.

I will be posting more detailed information on completing the ORRA Licence Application for Club Members in the Club thread.

NOTE: A few members have enquired whether it is necessary to obtain an additional Licence through the ORRA if they have an existing VHF/FM Licence. Unfortunately, yes. ICASA requires a licence per frequency and per radio for Commercial Radios, unlike Amateur Radios, in which only the Operator is licensed.

F_D

Edit: New ORRA Bandplan inserted December 2011)

BoetaSteve · Post by **BoetaSteve** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:24 am

Good day Eric
I'm a CB Radio User. Is there a Dual Band Radio available which can use both the CB and the ORRA frequency. When I get my licence for 29 Mhz VHF can I get a Local Radio Technician to do the programming / do it myself or can this process only be done by you. I would still like to use my CB radio, but it would be nice to have one Radio for both purposes.

Regards
Steve

Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:56 pm

Hi Stephen,

The older CB radios cannot quite stretch their legs to 29Mhz without some serious modifications, they did manage to reach 28MHz but that was about it. The GME GX300 can well do both 27 & 29MHz (if so programmed), but you would require a licence for the 27MHz CB (privately, through ICASA) and then you could get the 29MHz licence through ORRA. Ideally, you would need then either two antennas, one for 27MHz and one for 29MHz together with a change-over switch, or, simply, use one antenna mount with either of the two whips, 27 or 29MHz as required.

Some people do use one antenna for both frequencies, but that can result in damage to your radio and will degrade the performance of it as well.

-F_D

nicoza · Post by **nicoza** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:05 am

Het my lisensie deur ORRA gedoen. Nogals baie maklik.

andrevt · Post by **andrevt** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:21 pm

hi nico
welkom opi forum voor jy met my dogter kan trou moet jy my help met myne

nicoza · Post by **nicoza** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:40 pm

Dis reg oom, so nou kom al die termes en voorwaardes by

. Sal oom sommer die naweek help

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:05 pm

Ek dink in die nuwe jaar moet ek maar ook so iets doen.

nicoza · Post by **nicoza** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:22 pm

Dit is regtig n maklike proses en jy kry jou lisensie binne 24 uur. Dan pos hulle hom vir jou, bel vir rina stander by orra op 082 990 4364

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:28 pm

Thanks

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:04 pm

Just a reminder that all current ORRA 29MHz and VHF Club Licences expire this month (Dec), payment for 2010 Licence renewals must be made by 31st Dec 2009.

Post by **george** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:46 pm

Thanx Richie.
BTW what radio do you have

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:12 pm

george wrote:Thanx Richie.
BTW what radio do you have

Gx300 (27 and 29MHz)

Dorslandtrekker · Post by **Dorslandtrekker** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:38 pm

Dagsê almal,
Ek is 'n nuweling op die forum en ook maar 'n bietjie dof met die rekenaar, so verskoon maar. My vraag is hoe gaan ek te werk om deur middel van dié klub aansoek te doen vir 'n 29 Mhz radio lisensie. Die antwoord is seker iewers op die forum maar soos ek gesê het, rekenaars is nie my sterk punt nie.

Sodra ek genoeg ou ysters en bottels bymekaar gemaak het om te smous wil ek ook 'n Vhf radio koop. Ek is reeds in besit van twee Navstar handheld 29 Mhz radios wat ek by 'n pandjieswinkel gekoop het. Het 'n buite antenna op die voertuig gemonteer en die radio`s werk heel goed. Nou net om die nodige lisensies te bekom. Hoe gemaak?
Groetnis.
Frik

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:22 pm

Welkom by die Club Frik.

Hier gaan jy lekker kuier..

Dis baie eenvoudig, jy download die application vorm van hierdie website af http://www.aawdc.org.za/fg_orra.asp, vul jou besonderhede in, betaal die lisensiefooi in ORRA se bankrekening in, en faks die ingevulde vorm, tesame met die betalingsbewys na ORRA toe. Jou lidmaatskapnommer is (Mem No hilux0061) en is op die http://www.hiluxclub.co.za/ website te kry.

Voorspoed, dit vat gewoonlik nie te lank nie, ORRA se dametjie is deesdae redelik op die bol...

Dorslandtrekker · Post by **Dorslandtrekker** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:29 pm

Dankie Thys. Ek doen so.
Groetnis
Frik

Hawkeye · Post by **Hawkeye** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:10 pm

Hi Eric
I’m a new to the forum and the club. I would like to go the VHF route. I see that when you apply and pay for a licence the term (if granted) is used. What are your chances of not having the licence approved

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:22 pm

Hawkeye wrote:Hi Eric
I’m a new to the forum and the club. I would like to go the VHF route. I see that when you apply and pay for a licence the term (if granted) is used. What are your chances of not having the licence approved

about 1%

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:24 pm

Hawkeye wrote:Hi Eric
I’m a new to the forum and the club. I would like to go the VHF route. I see that when you apply and pay for a licence the term (if granted) is used. What are your chances of not having the licence approved

And you need to be a Club Member: http://www.hiluxclub.co.za/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hawkeye · Post by **Hawkeye** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:37 pm

OOOOMS wrote:
Hawkeye wrote:Hi Eric
I’m a new to the forum and the club. I would like to go the VHF route. I see that when you apply and pay for a licence the term (if granted) is used. What are your chances of not having the licence approved
And you need to be a Club Member: http://www.hiluxclub.co.za/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hi OOOOMS
I have joined the club

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:41 pm

Now only for the Interpol clearance...

Just kidding.

Hawkeye · Post by **Hawkeye** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:58 pm

CasKru wrote:Now only for the Interpol clearance...

Just kidding.

Sound as bad as a gun licence

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:33 pm

Hi Roger,

Firstly, great looking Hilux!

Secondly, as mentioned above, by joining the Hilux Club you are immediately eligible to apply for a radio licence from ORRA, which can be used anywhere within the borders of RSA. The application forms and procedure to be followed are outlined in the Club Members page on the forum. Receiving a licence would normally take some ten days or so, although currently Rina, the lady who handles this, is on a week's well-deserved leave.

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require any further info.

-F_D

Hawkeye · Post by **Hawkeye** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:07 am

Family_Dog wrote:Hi Roger,

Firstly, great looking Hilux!

Secondly, as mentioned above, by joining the Hilux Club you are immediately eligible to apply for a radio licence from ORRA, which can be used anywhere within the borders of RSA. The application forms and procedure to be followed are outlined in the Club Members page on the forum. Receiving a licence would normally take some ten days or so, although currently Rina, the lady who handles this, is on a week's well-deserved leave.

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require any further info.

-F_D

Thanks Eric

The Legend · Post by **The Legend** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:35 pm

Wat is die e-pos adres van die dame by ORRA.Ek het tot op hede nog nie my radio lesensie ontvang nie en wil graag navraag doen.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:39 pm

Dawie, jy't 'n PM...

-F_D

mdp100 · Post by **mdp100** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:33 pm

Family_Dog wrote:Hi Roger,

Firstly, great looking Hilux!

Secondly, as mentioned above, by joining the Hilux Club you are immediately eligible to apply for a radio licence from ORRA, which can be used anywhere within the borders of RSA. The application forms and procedure to be followed are outlined in the Club Members page on the forum. Receiving a licence would normally take some ten days or so, although currently Rina, the lady who handles this, is on a week's well-deserved leave.

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require any further info.

-F_D

Hi FD - Kan ek my ORRA roepsein kies of moet ek vat wat ek kry?

Post by **Family_Dog** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:26 pm

Marius, ek dinl jy kan kies... Meeste ouens vat wat ORRA vir hulle gee. Gee 'n paar (kort) alternetiewe, in case hulle nie beskikbaar is nie.

-F_D

TheoF · Post by **TheoF** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:34 pm

What is the price of the radio +- Eric and what make should I buy.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:46 pm

Theo, I will send you the forum price list which contains many of the more popular radios. All of the radios have a 12-month Warranty - excluding drowning!! - while the Kirisun PT8100 has proved to be the most popular and is probably the best value for money.

-F_D

TheoF · Post by **TheoF** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:49 pm

Thanks Eric

mdp100 · Post by **mdp100** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:08 pm

Family_Dog wrote:Marius, ek dinl jy kan kies... Meeste ouens vat wat ORRA vir hulle gee. Gee 'n paar (kort) alternetiewe, in case hulle nie beskikbaar is nie.

-F_D

Dankie FD, ek sou graag my Burg B roepsein hier ook wou gebruik, maak dit net makliker vir 'n mens. Ek sal by ORRA hoor of dit beskikbaar is en of ek dit kan kry.

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:21 pm

Family_Dog wrote:Theo, I will send you the forum price list which contains many of the more popular radios. All of the radios have a 12-month Warranty - excluding drowning!! - while the Kirisun PT8100 has proved to be the most popular and is probably the best value for money.

-F_D

Hi oom Eric

Please send me a forum price list also

Regards.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:04 pm

On its way to you, Tumelo! :)

-F_D

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:14 pm

Got it thanx and replied,

Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:22 pm

Guys, please take note of this request from Rina at ORRA:

"We have a lot of “ghost” payments on our bank statements with reference numbers such as: unknown names, bank names, ID nr’s, partial phone numbers and even “ORRA”, could you please ask your members if there are members who have applied or paid and have not received a response from ORRA, to PLEASE send us an e-mail."

-F_D

louis fourie · Post by **louis fourie** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:05 pm

Yesterday I received my radio from Oom Eric, phoned Rina this morning just to make sure I understood everything. She told me to come in, because it will be a lot quicker. On my way to work I stopped at ATV 4X4 Club (that is where she is). 20 minutes later I walked out with my license

. So you guys that was bragging with 24 hours, we now have a new record

and I will beat it when I take the paper work of my friends to her tomorrow - I would say 10 minutes max

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:03 pm

Shot, Louis! I wish ICASA would take a leaf out of Rina's book, we have been waiting two years for a VHF repeater licence

-F_D

C.R.Gillmans · Post by **C.R.Gillmans** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:23 pm

Hi Eric I'm brand new here, and so is my lux. This Friday i am having a VHF fitted. It is a icom 5023...25W radio. I am not sure what aerial is being fitted with it, but am sure the bloke doing the installation is as clued up as he needs to be, as he installed a few radios in friends vehicles already.
I would just like to confirm with you something that is bothering me about the licensing procedure, as this VHF is being supplied "license free". As far as I have read on this forum (quite keenly) anything above 5W requires a license. I am presently working abroad, and have saddled my wife with the job of getting the radio fitted and licensed, so I don't want to give her more of a headache than I already have.

My questions are...Is it normal practise for a supplier to supply a VHF that needs a license without one...ie: is it the onus solely on the customer to license the radio purchased? (two of the friends who have bought this guy haven't licensed theirs?)

Then also....how is this procedure monitored and governed, and what are the penalties for non licensed users? As I am about to embark on a long Namibia trip, I am also aware of the cross border licensing procedure and as soon as I have done my ORRA licensing (as a paid up member of the club), I will get that done too.

Then, is programming the unit to the 4 frequencies you mention in this thread easily done by myself, or does that need to be done by the guy doing the installation?

Then a last thing is....is the third ORRA frequency available yet?

I don't want to be a unlicensed user and would also like to get my mates up to speed on the correct licensing and usage of the radios.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:03 pm

Hi Hilton,

Any radio that transmits over 500 milliwatts (i.e. 0.5W) requires a licence before you may have it in your possession. ICASA regulations state that it is illegal to be in possession of any two-way radios apparatus (apart from the afore-mentioned L/F radios) unless you have the relevant radio communications licence. In the case of ORRA, they are acting as agents on behalf of ICASA, so provided you are licenced with ORRA on a per-radio basis, you are legal. The fines are horrendous if ICASA catches anyone without the relevant Radio-Comms licence, and include confiscation of equipment, a fine, possible jail sentence, or all three.

The Icom IC5023 is a 50-watt radio, but can be tuned down to 25w, which is the legal limit in SA. There is no benefit in operating a 50W radio, range will be exactly the same as for a 25w model.

Any programming of the unit has to be done by the dealer only, a commercial user may not be able to do this himself.

ORRA has not yet made the third frequency available yet, they are currently compiling an "Approved ORRA Dealership" list and the frequencies will only be made available to those dealers. This is to try eliminate the use of their frequencies by persons or companies unknown, who are using the ORRA frequencies illegally.

Download the ORRA application form which is available in the Club section, you will also require a letter of club membership confirmation from either myself or Cassie to submit to ORRA together with your application form and payment. The whole process usually takes about a fortnight.

Hope this is clear without sounding too authoritative... ;)

-F_D

C.R.Gillmans · Post by **C.R.Gillmans** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:13 am

Thank you very much F_D. All the info helps. I will have to get cracking then. Would it be possible to start the licensing so long...ie: with the serial # of the actual unit being fitted? Or will I have to wait until Friday when it is fitted?
Just wondering, because my wife will be leaving to meet me in Windhoek the following week

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:18 am

Hilton you can get licensed so long and just pass on the serial number later on. You will have to specify the model being installed.

You can also read a bit more here http://www.orra.co.za" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **Royco** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:05 am

I never managed to get the GUEST license for Namibia in the post.
That was soon after they changed to CRAN.
Read more here:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18088" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the end, I went to the CRAN office in Windhoek when we got there, and asked for the licence.
There were some issues on the application form, which I could sort out right there and then.
Took me all of 20 min.

By the way, Namibia do not recognise ORRA or any South African license.
Hope that helps.

C.R.Gillmans · Post by **C.R.Gillmans** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:50 pm

Thanks very much Cassie. Sure I will come right now.

Roy...thanks for the info. Might be a good option, because I will be in Windhoek a few days before my wife, so i could get it sorted out then.

C.R.Gillmans · Post by **C.R.Gillmans** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:06 am

VHF Installed...licensing to begin.

mad-milz · Post by **mad-milz** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:24 pm

Hi,

I am new to this club. I would like to know, i have Kenwood TK2000 handheld 2 way radios which i use at our Game Farm.

I also use these for when driving in convoy and i have the magnet whips to put in the vehicles.

I was just wondering if there are any frequencies for the club that i can put on these 2 ways?

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:31 pm

mad-milz wrote:Hi,

I am new to this club. I would like to know, i have Kenwood TK2000 handheld 2 way radios which i use at our Game Farm.

I also use these for when driving in convoy and i have the magnet whips to put in the vehicles.

I was just wondering if there are any frequencies for the club that i can put on these 2 ways?

If you have an ORRA license you can take it to any approved radio dealer to have these frequencies programmed on your radios. Keep in mind that with an ORRA license, the device is the license holder and not the person. So you will need to pay license fees for each radio.

IF you want to apply for a license, have a look here http://www.orra.co.za" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. You will also need to get an proof of membership from either myself or Eric (Family Dog)

PS: Welcome to the forum and club.

C.R.Gillmans · Post by **C.R.Gillmans** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:21 pm

Once again...thanks for the help and info...Licensed

Call Sign X-ray 106

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:27 pm

C.R.Gillmans wrote:Once again...thanks for the help and info...Licensed
Call Sign X-ray 106

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:54 pm

okay so I have downloaded the form to be filled in for the Orra licence.... read through the thread, will fill in the form to the best of my ability, do I have a membership number, am assuming that the VHF is the way to go, and do I go with a handheld/ fitted one... and who do I get a letter from, and then where in Cape Town do I get a radio, and then have it fitted?

Sorry lots of questions.....

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:02 pm

Another question please.... if I apply for the licence now does it apply to 2012 or should I wait until jan 2012?

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:08 pm

When you apply you get the proof of membership from me (you have a member number if you are a club member)
Mobile or handheld... that would depend on you. Are you only going to want to talk to someone using one car or several vehicles?
You can get one from Family_Dog... he will program it etc and then send it to you
The current licenses (even if you get one now) will exprire end of March 2012

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:53 pm

Thanks Cassie,
So can you please send me a proof of membership, it seems that I pay the licence fees first and then send the documents, have contacted Erik about a radio, and arranged for someone locally to install it for me.... so I think (hope) I am sorted...will probably have to wait for Erik to give me the details of the radio and serial numbers...

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:56 pm

The radio details is not that important as long as you can specify if it's a VHF or 29MHz (you have to specify this to ORRA.. not me)...

I will send you POM to you registered email address

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:09 pm

Thanks for all the documents Cassie and Erik, have done the licensing docs and paid, just wait for that and then I should be sorted...

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:22 am

vald wrote:Thanks for all the documents Cassie and Erik, have done the licensing docs and paid, just wait for that and then I should be sorted...

Pleasure... and congrats

Husky · Post by **Husky** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:39 am

Eric ek het nou die vorm vanaf internet gekry vir my radiolisensie,maar nou vra
hulle vir n bewys dat ek wel n lid is van die club. By wie kry ek die bewys?

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:07 pm

Husky wrote:Eric ek het nou die vorm vanaf internet gekry vir my radiolisensie,maar nou vra
hulle vir n bewys dat ek wel n lid is van die club. By wie kry ek die bewys?

PM CasKru he can help with the letter.....

Post by **Family_Dog** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:55 pm

Riaan,

Ek het 'n brief aan jou ge-email...

-F_D

Husky · Post by **Husky** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:54 pm

Is daar n spesifieke kanaal waarop jou radio moet wees of besluit mens maar op ingeewing watter kanaal gebruik gaan word. 29MHz

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:20 pm

Channels 14, 15 & 16 is gewoonlik die 4x4 kanale, maar ek het gesien ICASA gee sometimes ander kanale by.

-F_D