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My 2.2 L 4 x 4 Is ongelooflik swaar op petrol. So 5.5 tot 6.5 km/l. Hangaf of ek my trailer sleep of nie. Ek het n weber 38 carburator op. My kennis om hoe hom te stel of watse air cleaner ek moet gebruik is baie min. Dus my eerste 4 x 4 en ek moet se dus die lekkerste voertuig ooit. Help asb...
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Vertel ons meer van die wa. 'n Prentjie sal ook help.

As ek nou vinnig 'n skoot in die donker moet neem is die gemiddelde gebruik so 7km/l. Faktore wat dit kan beinvloed: Banddruk, band grote, vrag, toestand van die drivetrain, roofrack, canopy, timing, filters

Bestuur styl speel ook natuurlik 'n groot rol want as daai tweede stage oop maak :shock:

Daarby hang dit ook af of die meting gedoen is terwyl jy net op die pad was en of dit 4x4 insluit. Ook hang dit af of jy die afstand met 'n GPS gemeet het of met die bakkie se ODO meter want hulle is 'n persentasie uit (en dit kan ook verskil agv die band grote)
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My bande is groot maar ek kani dink dat dit so groot verskil kan maak nie of doen dit. Watse conversion kan mens doen om hom ligter op brandstof te kry?
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Ek het nog nie n gps gebruik nie. Ek sal dit probeer. Ek kort hulp om dalk net die carburator se jets reg te stel of fload level. Ek weet nie. As ek die 4y engine uithaal wat sit ek dan in. Wats die mees ekonomiese oplosing????
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Volgens daai prentjie lyk dit of daar dalk 'n body lift ook in is. Ontou hoe hoër jou voertuig van die grond af is hoe meer wind weerstand is daar en hoe harder moet die engine werk.

Die ding van die groter bande, een rotasie van 'n 31" 10.5" vs 'n 245/55 gee vir jou 5.1% meer afstand maar as die speedo nie oor gekalibreer is nie beteken dit hy lees 5.1% onder.

So vir elke 100km wat jy gery het, het jy dalk eerder 105km gery.

Met die stel kan ek jou nie help nie, ek voer maar net die redes aan hoekom hy swaar is
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Ja ek hom gelig. Baie dankie vir die raad en dus beslis dinge waaraan ek aandag sal gee. Is jou bakie ook so swaar, ek sien jyt n 2.4i? Is die 3Y engine n opsie of wat?
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Hugh wrote:Ja ek hom gelig. Baie dankie vir die raad en dus beslis dinge waaraan ek aandag sal gee. Is jou bakie ook so swaar, ek sien jyt n 2.4i? Is die 3Y engine n opsie of wat?
Ek het 'n 22R.

Myne gee, laas toe ek nog 'n toets gedoen het, so 8km/l. Ek het fuel injection op hom gesit en ry die bande relatief hard (tot en met 3Bar)
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8 km/ L sal ek enige dag vat. Ek moet iets aan my brandstof verbruik te doen want verkoop is nie in my boek nie. Ekt op http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/14805132 ... EFUND.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; hier is n feul saver en wil net weet of dit bekend is of nie?
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That weber38 thing is about as refined as a farm implement! Think they were designed in the 60's when fuel was cheap. Had one on my first Hilux 2.2 when I first bought it! They are made for performance vehicles which translates into heavy fuel consumption. It's also not suitable for a 4x4 vehicle engine as it suffers from fuel starvation and alternating flooding on steep ascents and descents. Do yourself a favour rather source an original Aisan and Nikki carb, you probably lose some performance, but it's perfectly matched to that engine and the vehicles intended purpose.

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Thanks Mr B. I thought so to. I'm not looking for performance rather a good feul consumption.
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The 38 weber is the better one, ex Ford V6, not quite as old, the old ones were the 36dcd.

Jy kan biekie kleiner gaan met die main jets, maar jy gaan nie veel beter kry nie, nie eers met die oorspronklikke carb nie
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Hoppy. Dink jy as ek n K & N air filter opsit, sal dit help?
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I have a Toyota 4y fuel injection manifold with injectors and a MR turbo computer box if interested.As far as I have read on the forum this improves power and fuel consumption.My mate is coming from Christiana tomorrow so give it some thought.I can send it back with him.
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Thanks Scott. How much do you want for it?
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I paid R1500 so if I can get my money back that will be good.
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Scott wrote:I have a Toyota 4y fuel injection manifold with injectors and a MR turbo computer box if interested.As far as I have read on the forum this improves power and fuel consumption.My mate is coming from Christiana tomorrow so give it some thought.I can send it back with him.

It does offer a very useful performance increase, the Hilux has a lot more "Oomph!" after an EFI conversion. I get about 7-5-8km/l driving at 100-110km/hr on Bulldog, as long as I drive carefully. With 31" tyres the speedometer and GPS speed are pretty much spot-on, the odo is probably a bit out though.


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Sory to ask but What is all this. Do i take off my carburator and just put this on?
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Thanks. Eric. Can i put a chip on it Scott
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Hugh, here is how we did Bulldog's conversion. There are probably other threads on this too, but this is one of the earliest and should give you an idea of how to go about it.

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Thanks FD. I'm not very good when it comes to a engine. Sorry about all the stupid questions but if I'm going to do this i want it to be done right. Thanks for all the help guys.

Scott I'll think about it and come back to you, thanks.
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I seriously used to get 10k/lit on the open road, sometimes a little more with my old 4y (original Nikki carb) dependant on the load and head-winds. That was with 30" tyres - with 31" tyres I surprisingly had a poorer fuel consumption ..... guess it had something to do with the power to weight ratio, the 2.2 may have had to work just that little bit harder with the bigger tyres, especially when it came to hills. With the slightly smaller diameter I didn't have to change down nearly as often.

Then there's the EFI option. From all accounts you should get a little more power which can be translated into fuel economy with the correct driving style. However one wonders if it's worth the effort and cost if you look at it purely from a fuel saving point of view - one would have to fill many tanks over many years to recover the outlay, (the extra power would be nice though). The reason why I never went the EFI route with the old 4Y (I had been contemplating it and started accumulating the parts) was that I was getting as good if not better consumption with the carb and in addition, a carb can be tweaked / repaired in the bush, whereas if the electronics of an EFI system fail, you're pretty much screwed unless you carry a spare ECU and a laptop to map it once fitted.

All that said, the SFA's are and always have been notoriously thirsty, but one can easily trade that off against the robust nature of the vehicle, it's absolute reliability and very low overall maintenance costs. They are uncomplicated, so easy to work on if anything should require attention. All in all not a difficult compromise to come to terms with in my book, and I'll choose an SFA over most anything else.

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Mud Dog , what your saying is that it would solve my problem to go EFI ? Then i'm gone go with a Nikki Carburetor.
I also think that its easier to repair and to fix if you need to.
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What do you guys think of changing the 4Y with a 3Y ?
Can someone tel me if its possible and is the fuel consumption beter ( is it worth it ) or not/
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Hugh, I had mine converted to EFI by Louis a couple of years ago. The fuel consumption improved to about 8km/l when loaded. The extra performance gain was worth more to me than the fuel consumption. I can actually get up steep inclines in 4th. It is a much smoother ride.
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^^ +1


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Op my vorige sfa 4y het ek ook n 38 Weber carb(manual choke) op gehad en moet ek se dit was n groot verbetering teenoor die standard Nikki carb wat hy op gehad het.Die petrol response was ook baie vinniger as met die Nikki carb.My intake manifold was ook ge-gasflow gewees.Ek het sonder probleme 8.5 km p/l gekry.My bakwerk was nie gelig gewees nie en ek het 31 bande op gehad.

Die geheim is om die regte size jets te gebruik , en dit gaan jy eers weet nadat jy met n hele paar jets gespeel het. Baie geduld is hier die wagwoord om sukses te behaal maar jy sal nie spyt wees nie.As jy nie baie wil spandeer nie sal ek met daardie 38 weber rondspeel totdat hy moet perform soos wat hy moet.Onthou hy was ontwerp vir 6 sillinder engins,sy standard jets is hopeloos te groot derhalwe die rede hoekom jy moet rondspeel met die jets.As jy hom eers reg het perform hy beter as n 36 weber.

My huidige sfa het die efi conversion op met 31 bande en n suspensie lift.Daars is beslis n verbetering in krag maar ek kry nie 8+ km p/l soos die ander efi manne nie.As ek mooi ry dan kry ek 6.5 km p/l.Ek wil hom weer vat vir dyno tune en kyk of daar dan enige verbetering is.

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Dankie Lollie. Ek dink na als wat ek gelees het van amal af dink ek ek gaan my carburator aandag gee. My airfilter verander met n K&N filter dalk vir my die oxygen sisteem opsit en dalk my bande harder pomp wat nou 1.5 bar is.

Als gese moet ek se my Hilux is als en nog meer wat ek wil he.
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Hugh

Bly by die Donaldson lugfilter waarmee die bakkie uitgekom het,dit is die beste lugfilter wat jy kan kry.K & N (oop filter) is bad news vir grondpad of off road .Ek het n pancake lugfilter op my 38 weber gehad.Moes my engine oordoen nadat ek in n sandstorm by die skedelkus beland het.l
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Dankie vir die inligting. Dan maak ek so.
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Hugh wrote: dalk my bande harder pomp wat nou 1.5 bar is.
Nee jong, so gaan jy *a* en betaal!!!

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Well after reading all the comments No:1 in terms of reliability he can put his carb and manifold behind the seat and it can be swopped out in the bush.No:2 if not EFI ford v6 for the same fuel economy and dubble the power I had a 4Y = sh1t and then ran V6 now I have the V6 on the side because I went to KZTE that does pull a hilux.
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My 4Y Efi run everyday from work to home, now for 3 years with no problems. It done 2 times long distances to Cape Town and back and a few rounds to the Kruger Park and back. A lot of 4x4 Trails and it never broke or let me down.

So about reliability it is rock solid. Do the normal services and it will run as long as you look after it.

The difference between carb and efi is the smoothness that you get, it gives more power but yet drive it hard like anything else it will cost your pocket. The average fuel consumption for the 4Y Efi's vary between 7.5 to 9km/lt, this however is not a given as the age of the engine plays a role. Newer engines(or even refurbished) will be getting about 6km/lt. Well run engines will be better yet then the Ecu and engine have to be dyna'd properly. The line is very fine between power and economy.

Conversions take time to be perfected, there is school fees involved so do it properly. If you go Lexus, 7M, 4Y Efi, 22RE, V6 Ford, 2.5 diesel Ford spend the the time to get it right. It does not help to go Lexus and your radiator is too small or you got the wrong Ecu application. With the 4Y and 22RE they full of nonsense if the Dizzy is not done right. V6 Ford you have to remember aswell for the Lexus, is the Prop 100% strong, must I not make a slighter stronger prop with better universals? Diesels like airflow and thus bigger radiator or even flush your Original tank and petrol pipes out that you can get rid of the old petrol in it, if not you have a problem.

Choose the conversion for your needs. Keep all in mind when you do it, the carbs as long as they work 100% will average good kms per litre but once that 2nd stage goes so do the power and the driving fun.

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Wat dink julle amal van n 3C motor?
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1.5 bar op jou bande is baie min...
Gaan oor na 2.5 bar en kyk wat die verskil is. Bele dan eerder in OME vering ook.
Het jy al die GPS oefening gedoen?
Op hoeveel rpm verander jy ratte?
Ek kry enige iets van 5km/l tot 8.5km/l hang af hoe hard ek tussen die ratte ry!

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Good as long as you get parts for it. Remember diesels are great for more torque but the services are more expensive. Also just remember the 3C without the turbo has less power than the std 4Y. The 3CTE is a good combination but there you need the Original Ecu. The 3CT will have the manual pump.
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Dankie Louis
Ek het n 2c engine by een van my friende gekry. Ek was nie van plan om hom te gebruik nie maar ek oorweeg dit. Ek verstaan dat die 2 c nie genoeg krag het nie maar ek kan dalk die 4y en 2c vekoop om n 3 ct in te sit. Ek ry een keer in 2 jaar n trip van omtrent 1800 km met rowwe paaie. Oor die algemeen ry ek so 6000km n jaar met hom. Ek wil regtig net meer l/km he.

Shane, ek gee nogal baie aandag aan hoe ek ry en probeer om met rev's laag te hou. Maar ek sleep my ovel track kan elke 2de naweek omtrent so 280 km ver. Dit maak hom swaar op l/ km.
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Gaan maak die sommetjies mooi: Teen 6000km/jaar, hoe lank gaan jy vat om NET ombouings geld terug te kry met 'n brandstof besparing?

My raai skoot is so rondom 50 jaar!

Maw dis nie die moeite werd nie. Hou jou 4Y, EFI hom en ry hom net so!
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Oorweeg die Ford 2.5 Turbo Diesel, parte is altyd daar en die motor is sterk. Onthou as jy engine verander sal die 'n goeie een wees.
daar is ouens wat 10.5 tot 12km/lt kry.

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Jip Louis, ek stem!

Al ombouing wat ek sal oorweeg is die 2.5 Ford.
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Dankie Louis
Ek soek op die internet maar kry nie regtig nie. Enige voorstelle waar ek n 2.5 TD kan kry. En waar verkoop ek my 4 Y. Watse prys kan ek vra vir my engine?
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Jy kan bv by Engine den regkom of as jy kyk na die ouens wat engins invoer. Gaan kyk na die engins self en wees kieskeurig. Makk seker dat alles daar is op die engin. Die goed soos watertrap, filters, pomp om gebruik as jy manual moet pomp as die ding sonder diesel gaan staan sal jy of by Ford of 'n Scrapyard kry.

Diens hom, tap alle olies af. Ek sien die WL 2.5 TDi is so R18500. Adverteer die 4Y hier of in Junkmail.
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Weet enige een dalk of die toestel werk? Volgens die handelaar is daar al baie van die toestelle op verskeie 4x4 voertuie gebruik.
Hy kry met sy eie LD T5 4km/L meer, van 7 af na 11km/L

Hier is die ad:This is for one Complete HIGH OUTPUT HHO Cell Kit. This kit comes completely assembled and has all the parts you will need to connect the hydrogen cell to your vehicle.

Save Fuel Today


Increase Your KM Per Liter up to 15% - 55%
Works on any Vehicle
Improves Engine Performance
Reduces Engine Temperature
The HHO Fuel Saver is easy to install. With the complete easy to follow installation instructions that are included with your kit, the installation process should take around an hour to an hour and a half. If you run into any problems simply call our installation support line and we will be glad to assist you.

How far can I drive before I have to add water to the ?
Every vehicle is a little different, but on the average you have to add about one cup of distilled water every 500 Km to keep the water tank topped off.

Will this work on any car?
So far to date we have not found a car that the has not worked on.
How will this affect my engines horsepower?
You will notice a big difference… The HHO Fuel Saver will help not only eliminate carbon deposits caused by unburned gasoline - but will actually steam-clean your engine. Over the first few days you will notice that your engine will become smoother and quieter, then it will level off at a new level! The water changes the combustion cycle into a more even or "round" cycle. This happens immediately upon installation, and from that moment on, your engine works in a new way. The effect is not only less noise, it's also less vibration, resulting in reduced strain on the transmission (thus smoother gear shifts), cleaner pistons and valves, and generally better engine operation. The Hydro Fuel Saver actually cools down the engine. The Hydro Fuel Saver widens the torque range and makes the vehicle accelerate faster. After acceleration, you don't have to press the gas pedal as much to keep going. Imagine yourself seeing, hearing and feeling the changes described above happening in your very own car or truck.


Will this product work on a Diesel Engine?
YES! It works on any car

How much of an increase can I expect to get on my KM PER LITER?
You should expect a more fuel efficient vehicle and improve your KM.P.L by at least 15% increase in KM.P.L , the average increase is between 15% to 40% and some enjoy up to 50%, depending on your vehicle and driving habits. This includes both city and highway driving conditions. This is an estimate only.

How the system works
There is a remarkable simplicity to this technology. If you add HHO to your engine, you will get an increase in combustion efficiency. That is just science, and it works as certainly as turning on a light switch. But to get your gains, you have to compensate for the additional oxygen that will now appear in the exhaust.
You can increase gas use and improve the efficiency of your vehicle with a Hydro Fuel Saver system. The HHO Fuel Saver system splits off hydrogen from water. By adding hydrogen to the air intake system, the engine runs cleaner, stronger and more efficiently. This environmentally friendly device will help your engine burn less gas, which will save you money. In today’s market, that is a very good thing.

How It Works
The cylinder is almost filled up with water and has a feed going directly into the air-intake system. Hydrogen is pulled from the oxygen and sent into the intake. Being a gas, hydrogen explodes in the intake. All of the hydrogen is atomized. Gasoline is also sprayed in. This combustion allows the pistons to work hard, but work more efficiently.

The Result
The combination of the hydrogen and gasoline exploding reduces fuel consumption. Pollution is also reduced because the hydrogen completely dissolves. That means that no emissions occur from the hydrogen. Since it lowers the amount of gasoline needed, the emissions from the gasoline are lowered, as well. Your engine will now run cooler, RPM will be lower, and that means you will have less maintenance to do on your engine with a HHO Fuel Saver.
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Read up on these devices carefully ,as i understand they need quite a bit of power from battery to produce sufficient hydrogen
to save on fuel.
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Martin, ek weet nie hoeveel nie. Maar die handelaar beweer hyt gee extra krag nodig nie.
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You need to have a manual on / off switch in the cab as well as it only getting energised when the motor is running, otherwise you could build up hydrogen that's not being used - a potential bomb. :!:

If it can then only be energised while the motor is running, there will be no drain on the battery - the alty should be able to supply enough to run it as well as normal electric peripherals and still charge the battery.

The question I have about these units is what the long term implications are for the motor (valves) and the complete exhaust system (particularly the manifold).
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What the price and is there some Instructions for use and installation that I can see?
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Hi Louis , hy kos R1500.00. Ek sal hom vra vir gebruiks instruksies. As jy koop kry jy n instruksies saam om hoe hom in tesit. Dus DIY>

Mud dog, die longrun is nog nie getoets nie maar tot op hede is daar nog geen geval gewees wat wys dat daar enige
skade as gevolg van die toestel is nie. ( so se die handelaar )
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Hi,

Sorry for the rant gents, but there’s a whole lot of really bad science and BS in this, and apologies if I step on toes. Hugh, it is definitely not directed against you, but I think you will waste your money. This is just to point out everything that doesn’t make sense to me.
How far can I drive before I have to add water to the ?
Every vehicle is a little different, but on the average you have to add about one cup of distilled water every 500 Km to keep the water tank topped off.
One cup per 500 km, don’t think it’ll make much of a difference.
The water changes the combustion cycle into a more even or "round" cycle.
What is it then : water or hydrogen that’s added? Don't think adding hydrogen will make the cycle more "round".....
The Hydro Fuel Saver actually cools down the engine.
Really? By adding extra combustible/explosive fuel?
How the system works
There is a remarkable simplicity to this technology. If you add HHO to your engine, you will get an increase in combustion efficiency. That is just science, and it works as certainly as turning on a light switch. But to get your gains, you have to compensate for the additional oxygen that will now appear in the exhaust.
What extra oxygen? Hydrogen combines with oxygen to produce water vapour…… The petrol/diesel fuel that’s burnt up will produce mostly CO2, some CO, water vapour and some other stuff.
The HHO Fuel Saver system splits off hydrogen from water. By adding hydrogen to the air intake system, the engine runs cleaner, stronger and more efficiently.
Now we’re back to hydrogen that’s split from water? Electrolysis decomposes water into hydrogen and oxygen……
How It Works
The cylinder is almost filled up with water and has a feed going directly into the air-intake system. Hydrogen is pulled from the oxygen and sent into the intake. Being a gas, hydrogen explodes in the intake. All of the hydrogen is atomized. Gasoline is also sprayed in. This combustion allows the pistons to work hard, but work more efficiently.
Hydrogen is pulled from oxygen…..(sigh) Some water molecules will split into hydrogen and oxygen, the water that’s left will be exactly that, it is left….
The Result
The combination of the hydrogen and gasoline exploding reduces fuel consumption.
Yeah, now you add some more explosive stuff, what’s the effect on you engine going to be?
Martin, ek weet nie hoeveel nie. Maar die handelaar beweer hyt gee extra krag nodig nie.
Mmmm, is hierdie ou baie ryk? Niks in hierdie lewe is verniet nie. Elektriese energie word gebruik om water op te breek in waterstof en suurstof, waar mens alreeds verliese gaan hé want jou alternator moet daai energie verskaf wat sy energie van die engine af kry en hy is nie 100% effektief nie. Nou stuur jy ekstra waterstof (as hulle nou eendag hulle mind kan opmaak) in die engine in, wat lekker ontplof. Nee wat dankie.

Verskoon as ek maar skepties is, maar as dit vir jou werk, kwaai!

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Chris you are spot on. a Couple of years back i did play with the HHO generators for a while but to not much success.

When I still had my 4Y I also did the EFI and it was much better. More responsive and maybe a gain of 1k per liter.
I must say if i had the choice again I would rather have gone the 2.5 WL route than EFI.
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I made a pair of these units for myself a couple of years ago and the cost of everything together for both units was less than R100. Even if installation was more than an hour's work per unit, the unit cost, installed, should be no more than R600 ..... Sounds like a really good fleecing at R1500.

I did a temp installation as a test and found no significant improvement to fuel consumption over a 2 week period. Save your R1500 for a couple of extra tanks of fuel. ;-)
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Dit is 'n feit dat enjins op waterstof kan loop maar dan is die enjine spesifiek daarvoor gemaak en die waterstof is reeds in vloeibare vorm beskikbaar. Die waterstof word nie gemaak in die voertuig soos dit ry nie. Daardie proses gebruik energie wat bekom word deur die verbranding van brandstof in die engine. 'n proses wat al reeds baie oneffektief is. 'n "fuel cell" werk ook op dieselfde prinsiep maar maak elektrisiteit vir elektriese of hibriede voertuie.

As die toestel werklik gewerk het vir so min inset koste sou elke kar al lankal daarmee uitgekom het. Daar is ongelukkig nie iets soos 'n gratis middag ete nie.
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IMHO... the alternator eats more power creating the power required for the electrolysis reaction, than the "extra" power created by burning hydrogen in the engine!

A few years ago there were many guys experimenting with the idea, yet the vast majority tossed it. Only the guys that stand to make money out of it are still selling kits.

And they always say theres a "trick" in their design that no one else knows!
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Pomp jou bande 2.5 bar en Tune daai carb reg..................

Jy kan vrek baie petrol ingooi met conversion geld.
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swartvark wrote:Pomp jou bande 2.5 bar en Tune daai carb reg..................

Jy kan vrek baie petrol ingooi met conversion geld.
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Mr_B wrote:
swartvark wrote:Pomp jou bande 2.5 bar en Tune daai carb reg..................

Jy kan vrek baie petrol ingooi met conversion geld.
Ja Mr Swartvark Lexus V8... but oh the tune she plays when you tickle that noise pedal and all 8 pots sing in harmony! Lekker! :twisted:
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If it was that easy to produce hydrogen, why the hell are the guys with the white coats and thick glasses at the big motor manufacturers struggling so much to bring out a zero emissions vehicle? :shock:

Or are they being paid off by the oil companies to pretend that they are trying to do it? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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