Hilux brake upgrade - Land Cruiser Callipers???

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I want to upgrade my front brakes and thought that there was a conversion you can do using Land Cruiser Calibres and Disk as they just bolt on. I thought this was a common conversion but I can't find much about in on the forum. Is this a thing and if so does any one have any info or forum topics on it that they can share with me?

I know a lot of people just do the Powerbrake upgrade but I am running 34" tyres so plan on doing both :D:

Any advice is most welcome

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Hi

What model Hilux do you have?
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As far as I can recall there were quite a number of topics here that spoke of the 75 Cruiser vented discs and callipers fitted to the old SFA Hilux models. Not sure if that will work on your model without wheel spacers because the back-set of those rotors might be a bit shallow.
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Mars wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:14 am Hi

What model Hilux do you have?
I have a 2007 Mk6 Hilux D4D ;)
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I am not 100% sure at what point the Mk6 brakes were updated but I think it is late in 2006 early 2007 when they increased the size of the rim as well. The later model have a larger brake caliper. I had the 2006 with the smaller calipers. The brake disks are almost identical in appearance but the later model's is a larger pad. I once bought the wrong pad and when I took them back noticed that the same pad was also listed for some of the Land Cruisers but unfortunately I cannot remember the model. So you may already have cruiser calipers in there.

Incidentally the Powerbrake update on the older model with the slightly smaller calipers and disks made a profound difference in braking. My friend has the later model with the larger disks and he also did a Powerbrake upgrade. It also made a noticeable difference in his bakkie but not as great as with mine. This is because the calipers and disks are already bigger and provide better braking ability.

With the Land Cruisers there are also differences in disk size from 322mm to 340mm. Possibly even bigger.
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Mud Dog wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:01 am As far as I can recall there were quite a number of topics here that spoke of the 75 Cruiser vented discs and callipers fitted to the old SFA Hilux models. Not sure if that will work on your model without wheel spacers because the back-set of those rotors might be a bit shallow.

Andy on the SFA it is the 75 land cruiser ventilated discs with the KZ-TE calipers which is just an bolt on.
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Mars wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:28 pm I am not 100% sure at what point the Mk6 brakes were updated but I think it is late in 2006 early 2007 when they increased the size of the rim as well. The later model have a larger brake caliper.
I think mine has the smaller calibres as it came with 15" wheels and I dont think the bigger calibres fit in those wheels.
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Andy on the SFA it is the 75 land cruiser ventilated discs with the KZ-TE calipers which is just an bolt on.
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Hello Kempton, what is a SFA?
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So I have just check the size of my disks and they are 297mm. Does any one know if this is the smaller version?
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The Legend wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:21 pm Andy on the SFA it is the 75 land cruiser ventilated discs with the KZ-TE calipers which is just an bolt on.

Dawie, thanks for the correction / clarification. Yes I recall it was indeed the KZTE callipers. :thumbup:

Mike, SFA stands for Solid Front Axle like the earlier pre '98 models had. :winkx:
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Yes the one that came out with the 15" rims has a 297 mm disk. The later model has the 319 mm disk. So to my mind you have two options. Go for the original sized Powerbrake upgrade which will make a massive difference in my experience. To the extent that I no longer felt that I needed to fit bigger disks and calipers.

Alternatively you could go for the 319 mm disks/pads and calipers from a later model Hilux. At least you know that it is a straight and very simple bolt on conversion without any other issues. You should really not struggle to find bigger calipers. If you decide to go bigger I would then get the Powerbrake disks and pads anyway as it will cost about the same (if not cheaper) than the original Toyota parts and you will truly be amazed at the overall improvement in braking performance.
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Hello Marnus

That is a brilliant idea fitting the new calibres from the new Hilux! I found the below topic on an other forum about Fitting Prado Brakes to Hilux and it seems not to bad but getting all the needed parts in the UK or SA seems almost impossible. I am sure it is possible but all the part numbers are different and couldn't find the UK ones. So you idea will be so much easier and I know it will just work. Thanks very much :clap:

https://www.newhilux.net/phpbb/viewtopi ... =12&t=3663
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Ok so not the plan has changed I have new questions lol Below is a link to a caliper that says is for vehicles vehicle stability control (VSC). Does it matter that mine doesnt, so it is still fine to fit these?

https://www.roughtrax4x4.com/toyota-4x4 ... re=default
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Hi Mike
Please do not take this the wrong way but it seems as if you want to over-complicate things. Why bother with the calipers in the UK which cost 115 pounds per caliper = 230 pounds or R4370-00 before shipping or import duties when you can drive to your nearest scrapyard specialising in 4x4s and get a set of the larger calipers for less. The later model Kun26 (Vigo) all had the larger calipers and the new model (Revo) also has the identical calipers. So there are many lying around in scrap yards. It is not an item that fails regularly and is therefore not in high demand. Those units are very robust, are sealed and it has been my experience that even grungy looking calipers are good inside. If you are worried about that it is very easy to pop out the pistons using compressed air and to inspect the bores of the cylinders. I have done disk brake conversions on Golf/Jettas and converted the Porsche Spyder I built from Beetle drum brakes to disks all round and I have never struggled to get good used calipers for a fair price. Just make sure that you get the complete set including the anti-vibrating springs/clips, pins and retaining spring/wire (The wire that keeps the pins in place). I cannot remember exactly now but I think the caliper bolts directly to the steering knuckle. Just check and if it does not then make sure to get the mounting brackets as well.

As far as the vsc is concerned I am not so sure that I understand what they are saying. Vehicle stability control works off sensors on the wheels and elsewhere in the car and uses the brakes to stabilise the vehicle. That is a standard 4 pot caliper. I fail to see how it is any different from the vehicle that does not have stability control.

The main issue when installing bigger or different brake calipers in a car is how you are going to mount them using the existing mounting points on the steering knuckle. Brake calipers from different models differ in size and design and usually have different mounting points/tabs. The second issue is the location of the port for the brake fluid on the caliper and if its orientation is different from the standard one. As you use a flex-hose to the caliper this is normally less of an issue as it is cheap and easy to have custom lines made up.

In your instance none of these issues apply. The newer caliper may be larger but the mounting points on the steering knuckle is identical. It is in fact the same steering knuckle in both vehicles. The hoses have the same fitting and are in the same location. The hub on both vehicles is also the same identical part so the larger disks are made for the same hub. So it is almost a question of plug and play.

If you do not want to spend a lot of money then get a set of Ferrodo or ATE disks and pads (Ferrodo, Bosch, Safeline, ATE) or other reputable brand from your local parts dealer and a pair of calipers from your local scrap-yard and you could do the whole conversion for probably in the region of R3000 to R5000 depending on what you pay for the calipers. It will take you only a little longer than it takes to change the disk pads.

Some advice is to make sure that the mating surface on the face of the hub i.e. where the disk presses against the hub is very clean and free of rust and other dirt to ensure a proper fit so that the disks run true. It is a bit of a pain as you need to clean between the wheel studs but well worth the effort.

Another thing is that you should not wash the old calipers in petrol as it will damage the o-rings on the pistons. Use methylated spirits to clean the calipers inside and out and blow/dry them out with compressed air. Use silicone lubricant (spray or paste) on the o-rings when you assemble the calipers.
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Marnus wrote:If you do not want to spend a lot of money then get a set of Ferrodo or ATE disks and pads (Ferrodo, Bosch, Safeline, ATE) or other reputable brand from your local parts dealer and a pair of calipers from your local scrap-yard and you could do the whole conversion for probably in the region of R3000 to R5000 depending on what you pay for the calipers. It will take you only a little longer than it takes to change the disk pads.
Brembo pads are also a lot more reasonably priced than PowerBrake and are a lot more superior to ATE or Ferodo (they're aimed at the motor sport fraternity and have very little fade).
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Hello Marnus

No offence taken. The reason the link was from a UK site is that I live in the UK and SA. But am spending most of my time in the UK at the moment :cry: So its easier for me to buy the calibres in the UK and then just bring them with me, instead of hunting around for parts in SA when I am there. I agree, I cant see why there would be a difference in the Calibre for VSC or none VSC but I have found both types so I will just the the none VSC version.

I only need to bring the calibres out as I can go to Powerbrakes warehouse and buy the disks and pads directly from them. This way I dont waist my time in SA running around trying to find parts or having things go missing the the amazing postal service in SA lol

Thanks for all you advice

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