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My 2009 Hilux front brake discs are warped to such an extend that they cannot safely be skimmed - on 70 000km! Is this normal? Never before have I had to replace discs on a vehicle, having driven three Isuzu bakkies to over 180 000km. My previous Hilux discs were skimmed on 80 000. My driving style has certainly not changed, it may only have become better.
Toyota SA is not willing to assist in any way with the costs even though the vehicle is still under waranty.

Have any of you had similar experienced / is this normal to replace discs on 70 000km?
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Geez Bester,

:think: This is the first time I've heard of disc wearing so quickly.
Is this on both sides? Left and right?
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Never had a problem with my Vigo's, s/c stand at 246000km's and the d/cab at 205000km's
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From what I understand it is both sides. I think I must take the vehicle to another agent to check out, unfotunately this has already been escalated to Toyota SA so I'm not excepting any joy there. Just cant beleive that it can be considered normal wear.... Ek is gladnie dik van die lag nie.
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Hoeveel keer het jy brake pads vervang? Ry jy baie modder of sanderige paaie?
die kondisies kan veroorsaak dat disks vinniger wear.
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Nog nooit brake pads vervang nie. Met die vorige diens op 60000km was alles 100%. Nou, 10000km later moet alles vervang word. Ek ry bitter min modder of sand met die bakkie.
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Bester wrote:My 2009 Hilux front brake discs are warped to such an extend that they cannot safely be skimmed - on 70 000km! Is this normal? Never before have I had to replace discs on a vehicle, having driven three Isuzu bakkies to over 180 000km. My previous Hilux discs were skimmed on 80 000. My driving style has certainly not changed, it may only have become better.
Toyota SA is not willing to assist in any way with the costs even though the vehicle is still under waranty.

Have any of you had similar experienced / is this normal to replace discs on 70 000km?
Q? How did this happen? Did it happen gradually over time or over night?
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Iewers op die forum het nog so ou so 'n probleem gehad. Hy't toe dit verder gevat, maar niks weer op die forum daarvan gehoor nie.
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There is no average or normal lifespan for discs and pads, depends on driving style and conditions, 70 000 km is not good, but fair for a set of front discs.
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I had to replace my 2009 DC front discs on 72000km. Fortunately just fell within warranty period. Toyota first skimmed the discs (my cost) and when that failed they replaced front discs and rear drums.
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Hi BenRich, was it replaced under warranty? My vehicle is still under warranty but Toyota refuse to assist.

OOOOMS, I havent even noticed a problem, was however told during the 70000km service that it must be replaced as it is wareped to such an extnd that it cannot be skimmed. No issues were reported during the 60000km service.
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This is not the first time we hear that story. There was a similar case and Toyota just love to get themselves out of replacing things under warranty .
In my opinion 70,000km is BAD for a set of front disks unless you are driving in the mud each day or if you use your Hilux for robot to robot racing.

I don't know if the previous owner ever replaced the discs on my bakkie, but I had it for about 100,000km and they still look as good as new and those discs were on there when I bought it.
The Tazz is now nearing 160,000km and still nothing wrong on the front discs.
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I also think it is very bad. My other bakkies (Colt, Isuzu, Toyota and even a Ford!) never had this type of problem with much higher mileage and my driving style and terrain I use the vehicle has certainly not become worse.
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Just discussed the issue with Mr Andre Falck (Regional Head for Toyota?) so now waiting for feedback - hopefully positive.
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Are the discs actually warped, or just worn down? Warped front disc/s will cause a noticeable shudder on the steering wheel when braking, most prominent at low speeds. Does your Lux shudder when braking?
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No I'm not experiencing any noticeable shuddering. The workshop reported that the discs are warped, I have not seen it myself.
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Bester wrote:No I'm not experiencing any noticeable shuddering. The workshop reported that the discs are warped, I have not seen it myself.
Perhaps I am missing the point here....?

If there is no noticeable shudder, then tell em to take a hike.... :!: Why not leave it as is?
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I have two months left on the warranty, if the discs are warped they must be replaced before they become a serious problem once the warranty expired.
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Bester wrote:I have two months left on the warranty, if the discs are warped they must be replaced before they become a serious problem once the warranty expired.
Well if they are going to replace them under factory warranty let em, but for you to pay for 'em, nope.

Why do they claim they are warped?

This not normal, mine have 210 000km on and still the original.
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Yes OOOOMS, I agree, if they dont I'm not until I start experiencing problems.
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My d4d hilux had 260 000km on the clock and that is with lots of open road and lots of dirt and mud on and around civil constrution sites around the country. Still on original discs. If there is no shudder on your brake pedal when braking then there is nothing wrong. Is there a squeeking or grinding noise when you brake. When last did you change pads? I have a idea of what could have happened? Is there any way you can upload pics of the discs so I can see them.You dont have to take them off the bakkie for the pics.
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imho discs that are wharped can only be caused by excessive heat followed by sudden cooling down|-like when the discs are hot and you drive through water.
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Havent had any time to follow up on this but just realised tomorrow will be 3 weeks since I spoke with Mr Anton Falck (who promised to investigate and get back to me) without any further response from ANYBODY at Toyota SA.
Ek is soort van gatvol vir verskaffers wat dink die produk verkoop homself en naverkoopdiens is wats wat die klient moet sien as 'n bonus.
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Bester wrote:Havent had any time to follow up on this but just realised tomorrow will be 3 weeks since I spoke with Mr Anton Falck (who promised to investigate and get back to me) without any further response from ANYBODY at Toyota SA.
Ek is soort van gatvol vir verskaffers wat dink die produk verkoop homself en naverkoopdiens is wats wat die klient moet sien as 'n bonus.
But that's normal.......... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Na maande se baklei met Toyota oor my discs wat "gewarp" het, het hulle toe ingestem dat dit onder waarborg vervang word. Nog maande later en vele oproepe van my kant af (hulle bel nie vir jou nie, JY moet HULLE bel!) is die discs en pads hier (daar was glo nie voorraad nie...) en gaan my bakkie Vrydag in om dit te vervang.
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In all of the vehicles I have owned, I have learned to distrust opinions / findings of dealerships and workshops as their systems run to vehicle throughput and trainees are in full force on your vehicle.

If there is no shuddering, suggest that you push your case forward but at least you know that the discs are not "poked". In a previous bakkie I was getting brake finding and the agents were running all over suggesting be calipers and other wonderfully expensive fixes. I popped in to a private mechanic and he diagnosed that rubber particulate was breaking off the inside of the one pipe / hose, replaced both sides at a minimal cost and solved! Sorry, drifted here...

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My 2006 DC het nou 204000 km op met die oorspronklike voor skywe en nog geen probleme nie.
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Sorry to open an old thread but I just had the same problem

My GF uses my bakkie for work, prior to that it basically lived in the garage and got driven about every second weekend only
Sitting at about 260 000km now

Less than a year ago I replaced the front disks and pads and also Rear drums and shoes

Lately, when I drive it, coming to a stop causes the steering to shake left and right quite badly and a shudder I the brake pedal
I suspected wheel balancing, definitely not Brake disks, tehy are after all new and probably havent even done 8000km

GF took it to Supa quik this morning and they confirmed, warped disks, so warped that they cant be skimmed.

I am stumped ! How does this happen??
Can it only be cold water that causes this on hot disks or could there be another reason?
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What make disks did you use? Not all brake discs are created equally. Toyota has an issue with their supplier and many discs have been replaced under warranty (where applicable of course).
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Got these at Midas, cant remember what brand they were but lesson learned
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Go for a reputable brand like Ferrodo, ATE etc. Buying Toyota is no guarantee that you will get the good disks. Having said that Toyota reckon the supplier issue was resolved.
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If I recall correctly is was a reputable brand, red and white box
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In my opinion, if Toyota is not replacing it under warranty, then do not replace it on your own cost right yet. You stated that you are not experiencing any noticeable shuddering. Don’t repair what’s not broken.
You stated you have 2 months left on the warranty. They probably just trying to make money out of you before the warranty ends.
If you want to know if it is really warped, the cheap way it is to use engineering ink or just old plain chalk. Remove the wheel and line the disk throughout with a thin layer of chalk. Have someone press the brake pedal lightly and rotate the disk. The spots where the pad catches the disc will remove the chalk. The other parts should still have chalk. Then you know the discs are warped. If all the chalk is removed, the discs are fine.
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Mikie wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:16 pm If I recall correctly is was a reputable brand, red and white box
Your best bet is undoubtedly Powerbrake disks and pads. They are expensive - on a par with Toyota OEM but that will definitely be the end if your issues.
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Apologies, answered an old thread and did not see the dates.
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Cold water on a hot disc is one of the causes. Be careful when taking it to the carwash when the discs are hot. Pressurised cold water is sprayed on the discs!
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From what I have been told over the years, cold water on hot discs is the primary cause for warping. I am also led to believe that driving / braking in the rain is not the cause because there is a constant spray mist on the discs which produces a more even cooling, but warping occurs when the roads are drying out to the point that there is no longer any spray off the tyres and the discs remain dry, then entering a significantly sized puddle or stream after a longer period of braking - like after coming down a hill where you've been using brakes a lot. Supposedly there is not enough spray period to cool the whole disc evenly, but just one side of it. Can also happen in dry weather if there is a significant stream of water discharge (from whatever source) on the road and the discs are very hot.

Although it sounds logical, how true all of that is, is still a matter of some speculation in my eyes and I have to wonder if unusually long periods of braking that produce excessive heat on the disc are perhaps also a contributing factor. :think:
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Mars wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:08 pm
Mikie wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:16 pm If I recall correctly is was a reputable brand, red and white box
Your best bet is undoubtedly Powerbrake disks and pads. They are expensive - on a par with Toyota OEM but that will definitely be the end if your issues.
I only found out about these guys after new ones were installed, I will keep them in mind for next time, if there is a next time
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I am still wondering if its possible that Supa Quik installed the disks and pads the first time incorrectly, which could have caused them to constantly brush the pads?
They did fail to tighten my shocks in place properly at the same time too
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Mikie wrote:I am still wondering if its possible that Supa Quik installed the disks and pads the first time incorrectly, which could have caused them to constantly brush the pads?
They did fail to tighten my shocks in place properly at the same time too
Unlikely. Discs are clamped down by the wheels.



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Jaws wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:37 pm
Mikie wrote:I am still wondering if its possible that Supa Quik installed the disks and pads the first time incorrectly, which could have caused them to constantly brush the pads?
They did fail to tighten my shocks in place properly at the same time too
Unlikely. Discs are clamped down by the wheels.



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