Hilux 4x4 Forum

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:12 pm**

At the last trail only two vehicles had radios and as luck would have it one VHF and one 29MHz - so no radio comms :evil: . A number of guys indicated that they would be interested in a group-buy so I spoke to Eric (FD) and got some good prices on VHF and 29.

Radio comms really makes a big difference on a trail and when driving in a convoy.

I have a 29MHz Dragon installed and it works great and I’ve never had any issues with it.(Using it for 2 years) The effective range is around 5km but this is dependent on a number of factors – type of installation, terrain and even the weather plays a role.

25 W VHF has a range of about 35km and it is much clearer but it is more expensive.

For more info see; http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/shop/radios.php(“The information presented there is correct, but the pricing is wrong. Some of the prices have increased, others have in fact fallen.”), http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/radios/index.php and http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/radios/p4.php - licensing.

To give you an idea on pricing (Prices excludes installation, delivery and license fees):

VHF plus antenna: +/- R2500
29 MHz plus antenna: +/- R1700

So who is interested, need 10 to qualify for these prices……

Please vote VHF or 29MHz and I’ve also added two options for the guys who already have radios.

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:25 pm**

I have a 29Mhz and will be buying a VHF in the near future.

You might want to apply for a license first before you buy a radio as I think Eric is not allowed to sell if you do not have a license. I never had a license and actually applied for one about a month ago for both the 29Mhz and the VHF (which I still need to buy). Amazingly enough it only cost me something like R165 for both radio licenses with admin fees etc. I'm now part of ORRA and have my own call sign.

So if I can recommend to anybody, go the VHF route. The 29Mhz is alright but the VHF is much better and it is not that difficult at all to get a license.

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:29 pm**

I also have a 29Mhz. I should have bought a VHf instead.
Unfortunately I cannot buy one right now, as I suspect Bennie's invoice for the EFi work will need to be presented to my bank manager for a loan

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:33 pm**

You guys must Vote

If you have a 29MHz but want to go for VHF vote VHF 8 )

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:55 pm**

I also want da radio, but it would be nice to have the one most people have. Mmmm, maybe I should vote for both...

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:04 pm**

99.9% of 4x4 Vehicles I come across have 29MHz radios with only the harder core Overlanders having VHF.

The quality aspect is indesputeable but as far as Trail Comms go the VHF radios are in a small minority. :shifty:

Maybe F_D can give us an expert appraisal here

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:18 pm**

Ek die 29 in my Range met een van die langste antennas wat ek kon koop!Tot my verbasing kan ek tot en met so 15km helder opvangs en stuur!met n paar berge tussen in!glo dit of nie!So meskien as die manne beter opvangs wil he moet hulle kyk na n beter lat!!!

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:42 pm**

Met daai antenna kan ek dit glo

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:46 pm**

Ok so if I understand it right then the HF radios should all have the same cannels. Am I right?

But the VHF you will have to obtain channels from the license guy’s. and you can only use it 50km from home?

And if I and a buddy want to chat we must have the same channels on VHF?

I like the idée of VHF radio. The range, less noise, but I would prefer to have something like the old CB’s. Channel 19 as a general calling channel and then from there you can move to a different channel. What’s the use if you have a radio but you can’t chat to a fellow mate on the same track just because you don’t have the same channels programmed on the radios?

Ek dog maar net ek vra.

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:19 am**

I have a 29Mhz Dragon but don't think its worth buying a VHF as well. Yes they work better but is more expensive and most guys I encounter use them.

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:00 am**

Yip Bennie I agree. For trails it's perfect and it looks like a lot of guys have already gone this route. The Dragon radio is good and Eric advised that they are going for around a grand without the antenna. It is also easier to buy them second hand

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:12 am**

Gertc wrote:Ok so if I understand it right then the HF radios should all have the same cannels. Am I right?

But the VHF you will have to obtain channels from the license guy’s. and you can only use it 50km from home?

And if I and a buddy want to chat we must have the same channels on VHF?

I like the idée of VHF radio. The range, less noise, but I would prefer to have something like the old CB’s. Channel 19 as a general calling channel and then from there you can move to a different channel. What’s the use if you have a radio but you can’t chat to a fellow mate on the same track just because you don’t have the same channels programmed on the radios?

Ek dog maar net ek vra.

I'm also unclear on the VHF Channel set up, ie. are there "4x4 specific channels" :? , hopefully Oom Eric will put us right just now :)

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:52 am**

As ek wil praat wil ek praat nie sukkel nie, VHF is maar net die beste as dit kom by kommunikasie. Ek skiet nie 29 mhz heeltemal af nie want die voordeel is natuurlik dat jy die kanale het wat almal gebruik. Daar is egter wel ORRA (Off road radio association)wat 'n VHF kanaal het vir 4x4 offroad en so ook die LCCSA (land cruiser club van SA) wat hulle eie kanale/Frekwensie het. Miskien moet FD maar vir ons meer duidelikheid gee in die verband maar ek dink dat ORRA besig is met die VHF omskakeling vir 4x4 en dan is daar ook 'n gemeenskaplike kanale wat gebuik kan word net soos met 29MHz.

Anyway my bakkie bestaan uit radio's en antenna's so noem die frekwensie en ek praat saam. 8 ) Miskien nie altyd wettig nie maar praat kan ek praat

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:27 pm**

Ek was altyd bang vir die lisensie ding en het gedink dit is 'n schlep.... maar dit is eintlik heel maklik en eenvoudig... :) Ek het ook 'n ORRA call sign :)

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:11 pm**

Wel Cassie daar sê jy dit nou self. Dis regtig nie so 'n groot probleem om wettig te wees nie. Die probleem is net eenvoudig dat Icasa maar sloer soms met hulle dinge.... :wth:

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:19 pm**

Wil ook nie he my bakkie moet soos n kominikasie kasper lyk nie.

1 radio sal doen. maar watter ene?

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:33 pm**

Gertc wrote:1 radio sal doen. maar watter ene?

Jy koop die een wat die meeste van jou maatjies het. Dit help nie jy sit met 'n 29MHz radio in 'n groep ouens wat almal VHF radios het nie, en anders om. Tot op hede is meeste ouens wat ek ken en waarmee ek saamry almal op 29MHz, en daarom gaan ek nie nou VHF toe migrate sommer so nie. As die dag kom dat meer as die helfte van die ouens VHF gebruik dan sal ek ook oorskakel..

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:40 am**

Knersus wrote:Wel Cassie daar sê jy dit nou self. Dis regtig nie so 'n groot probleem om wettig te wees nie. Die probleem is net eenvoudig dat Icasa maar sloer soms met hulle dinge.... :wth:

Ek het myne deer ORRA gedoen... form voltooi met my details en die details van my radio (en toekomstige een), deur gemail met my proof of payment (R165 vir altwee lisensies en admin ens vir die jaar) en 3 weke later my lisensie in die pos gekry. Kan mos nie makliker as dit wees nie :)

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:51 pm**

Dadz Toy BFI wrote: I'm also unclear on the VHF Channel set up, ie. are there "4x4 specific channels" :? , hopefully Oom Eric will put us right just now :)

Are you sleeping Oom F_D

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:52 pm**

Oh ye troubled ol' Sassenach!

The ORRA has applied for, and was granted, a "Roving Frequency", which means that the VHF frequency which is allocated to them is valid for use anywhere within SA's borders. A normal VHF frequency is limited to max 50km from one's place of residence, so the ORRA frequency is a definite advantage.

My personal views are that one must really use what is currently in use by the group with whom you most often travel in convoy with, but the argument against this is the fact that the prices of 29MHz radios are creeping up to the VHF radio prices. Bare in mind that a 29MHz radio requires a fairly long antenna (±1.5m) compared to a VHF quarter-wave (roof-top mount) that is barely one third that length. If, however, one prefers a "side-mount" antenna for VHF, then the 5/8 antenna is the way to go. This will usually mount on the B or C pillar, but can also be mounted on the bull or roll bar. Even so, the antenna is only about one metre in height and does not flop around as much as the 29MHz antenna.

Then, the AM radios operate at around 4-5 watts RF compared to a full 25W for the VHF radio. AM radios are susceptible to ignition and atmospheric interference, while VHF/FM is not. A VHF radio offers reliable range of around 30-35kms between vehicles, while an AM radio is usually only good for less than 5km *reliable* communication - slightly more in ideal conditions such as very early on a cold Winter's morning, but less during an electrical storm.

Another factor to consider is that the VHF/FM radios are serviced nation-wide by authorised Dealerships, but very few of these Dealerships would want to waste time repairing a 29MHz radio, which are considered "not worth the repair costs" due to the time spent on repairing them and the unavailability of any Service Manuals and components for these. The Importers are not really up to servicing or repairing the 29MHz radios either.

Kenwood TK7102 4-Channel VHF/FM radio. An excellent product!

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Undoubtedly the best 29MHz AM Radio, the GME GX-300 (Available in either Black or White)

Prices on the GX300 have already risen this past week so the gap is narrowing very fast.

-F_D

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:09 pm**

Dankie Oom Eric :!:

Very informative and just what the doc ordered for us laypeople

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:05 am**

Eric I spoke to my radio tiffy the other day and he informed me that on vhf you get a midband(66-88 mhz) and also a highband (134-174 mhz).Now I want to know on which band do you see us in the near future,will it be mid or high band.The past weekend I saw the need for radio coms as an absolute necessity.I dont want to waste money in buying a 29 mhz radio if things are to change soon.At the moment I have high band fm (vhf) radios.(motorola)Got any suggestions

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:36 am**

Hentey,

VHF High Band (136-174MHz) is the way to to go. Depending on the model of Motorola you have, you could most probably just add the ORRA frequency, after having joined the ORRA first. Currently, this forum is not yet an affiliate of the ORRA so you would require to join the 4x4 Community Forum in order to become a member of the ORRA.

Which model Motorola are you using, and how many channels are you currently using on it?

-F_D

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:39 pm**

Eric I have GM 350 radios in my vehicles and I have P 020 portable radios aswell.They all are 4 channel I think.We normally use only one channel but the base and the one in my bakkie have the no 2 channel activated if I want to discuss private matters.But we hardly use that function,I rather phone the office.
I also want to know if Motorola have a 12vdc charger for the portables (their batt dont last all day)

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:27 pm**

Hentey,

The radios will be fine. The P020 was one of Motorola's smaller radios, destined for the Asian market, but they were sold here in 2002/2003 or thereabouts. As far as I remember, it uses a 7.5v battery of unknown capacity. We used to fit after-market batteries (not Motorola) which had a slightly longer operating life. I'll have a look for you tomorrow (when I'm at work) what charger options are available, but otherwise it's simple enough to make up a cigarette lighter type cable and just plug that into the charger.

-F_D

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:50 pm**

Kenwood TK7102 4-Channel VHF/FM radio.

Eric can this radio be programmed to work duplex? (work thru a repeater?)

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:27 am**

Eric,what needs to be done so that we (hilux forum)can get ORRA accreditation?Surely this is not impossible.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:05 am**

Like the Idee. Sins Eric is forcing us to buy a 4 channel radio(Kenwood TK7102 4-Channel VHF/FM radio.) but we only need ONE channel. We can just as well get frequentions for other channels.

He could just as well sold us a 0ne channel radio at quarter of the price.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:39 pm**

I also like the idea behing getting our own frequency on the air....

Something that might be off topic here is even when travelling in very remote and mountainous areas I do not see the merrit of having a 2way radio as you might not be able to transmit far enough should you have a serious emergency. I do understand that it does help with convoy contact and ensuring everybody stay up to date with what is happening and what to expect.

Am I correct in saying that when going for serious remote overlanding explorations it would be better to have a sattelite phone as a emergency backup and then have the 2 way radios for convoy conversations and order.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:49 pm**

That is the way to go yes. But at the price of Satellite Phones MMMMmmmmmm the rental of a phone could pay your whole trip. Or a few installments on my bakkie.

Then maybe it is best to go Knersus way. Become a HAM. Then you can use a HF radio that can cover Hundreds of Km in the right conditions.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:57 pm**

AFAIK the price of sattelite phones these days are hovering between R 15 - R 25 K depending on what you want and what brand.......

Now considering that the modifications on my Hilux is nearing the end for a overlander, I might start saving just for that as then I can say I have it all that I wanted.....

I will be investigating this matter on a later stage in depth and post some feedback here

..Maybe somebody would like to call me from space.....

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:34 pm**

Gertc wrote:Kenwood TK7102 4-Channel VHF/FM radio.

Eric can this radio be programmed to work duplex? (work thru a repeater?)

Gert, yes, provided the Repeater falls within the Radio's frequency range. The TK7102 is available in two VHF splits (we are not concerned about UHF here) which are either from 136 - 162MHz, or otherwise 146 - 174MHz. The latter is the more common, although either will work for the ORRA frequency. Radios with more VHF channels are available (the Vertex VX2100 has up to 8 channels, at the same price) but this does not really concern us here.

HF/SSB will talk practically anywhere in Africa, but as has been said, you either go the "Ham" way, or you could obtain a Commercial Licence as well. But there are pros & cons to HF radio as well.

Hentey, it will be Pieter's choice as to whether this forum applies for Membership of the ORRa or not. I believe there are financial implications, but the costs could (and should...) be recovered from the Members here who want to install a radio. The costs, if shared this way, are minimal.

-F_D

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:13 pm**

Thanks Eric for all the answers to our questions.So what now? Who is going to make a move?
Forum members calling on Pieter to make a decision......Pieter come in .....Pieter come in......(radio silence)

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:28 pm**

How about a Vote?

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:06 am**

:? :?

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:13 am**

Guys, whichever you chose go the ORRA route. I got the licence forms from Eric, sent them in, got an acknowledgement of receipt, but a year later I still haven't got a licence, I haven't got a gun licence either :evil:
This sort of service makes one tempted to break the law.
Ron.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:12 pm**

Ron are you using the frequency or not? Your radio technician is to set it to frequency one you are registered.Dont worry Icasa takes a little time as long as you got proof that you applied.I had somebody breaking through on my frequency,and I refused to pay my annual lisence fee untill they sorted the problem.Sent out a chap with a LR and a lot of electronic goodies ,+- 13 antenae's on the roof.He sorted and I paid.Do you want their tel numbers? 8 ) 8 ) 8 )

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:41 pm**

OK ERIC , F.D Mercedes is not a bad car...............Please react to our posts now....Please.....

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:02 pm**

hentey wrote:OK ERIC , F.D Mercedes is not a bad car...............Please react to our posts now....Please.....

OK Hentey, seeing that you put it so nicely!

I will chat to Piet about the possibility of applying to the ORRA for the Hilux Forum. Remember, there is no guarantee that ORRA will accept us, we can but try!

Guys, just to put the record straight here: The only meaningful VHF frequency is the ORRA one, as it is licensed for use throughout RSA. I believe the Isuzu Club uses the same frequency as well, but I do not know whether this is the same frequency that the LCCSA uses or not. One would hope so, because in time of need (as opposed to senseless chatting) one would like as many people as possible to hear an SOS call.

I must just add here that the idea of a radio frequency is that it be used as a 'business tool' and not for people to discuss cake recipes etc. The frequency is shared amongst many users and should be regarded as an essential means of communication rather than a chat channel. This is in fairness to all co-users, no matter where they might be or what vehicle they may drive. Also, only plain language (i.e. no "colourful" language) is to be used and one risks confiscation of both, the licence and your vehicle, should you abuse this ruling.

Unnerstand?

-F_D

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:38 pm**

YES BOSS. I fully agree. I was not under the impression that the hilux gang would get its own frequency.I really dont mind sharring it with the Isusu ouens or L/R guys. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:05 am**

Well the way I see it is that ORRA should have about 3 different frequency's to use. Same as in 29MHZ and this will able us to use VHF radio's and not having a problem that any other convoy or person might be blocking your communication on one channel. On the other hand the use of HF on long distances is great and you will get someone to talk to somewhere in the world at any time but to use HF you must understand it and that is sometimes where the problem is with HF communication. So if you are going into the bundu's and not have a HF radio in one of the vehicles I recommend the sat phone option. So lekker but so lekker expensive as well but surely there are no cost measured if you are in trouble :)

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:57 pm**

We need to cut Eric some slack,he is a very busy man.I don't now if i am allowed to say this but all that what we have dicussed so far is already taken much further on another forum.I can only see that it is of no use to spend more time and energy on this topic because all is done at "4x4 community" already.Why duplicate everything? You should've told us Eric,we really wasted your time........sorry

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:04 am**

Hentey, if you really feel that way, bake me one of those 5-minute coffee cup cakes... I'll put the kettle on in the meanwhile. Absolutely no problem, much of the info is here as well, but it is a bit "hidden". Maybe I should make it a 'sticky'.

Here are the links:

TWO-WAY RADIO CONSIDERATIONS FOR 4X4 DRIVERS
http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/radios/index.php

This is a brief article explaining the different options available for consideration.

ICASA APPLICATION FORM
http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/radios/Landmo ... cation.pdf

This is only necessary should one want to apply for a 'Private Frequency'. It will not be necessary to complete one of these if you elect to join the ORRA and make use of their frequency. IMHO, the ORRA would be the preferred option, as the Licence is then available within a couple of days and it is a common frequency shared with other 4x4ers.

Two-Way Radio Mobile Antennas
http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... hp?t=14151

This one is not yet here, will have to work on it.

Guys, the VHF radio prices stated by Jaco in the original post here have come down by about R100, but the 29MHz radio prices have gone up by R60. This is a wildly fluctuating market and prices vary a lot as we manage to strike different deals with the Suppliers. Every shipment we get seems to command different prices!

-F_D

Posted: **Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:23 am**

Thanks Eric for all your assistance so far on this fred

The reason I started this was because at Berakah I really missed radio comms and some members indicated that they are looking at buying.

Looking at the votes it is clear that a lot of members have gone the 29 route already, but also that there are more that want to go VHF.

It does not seem like a lot of the Gauteng members have radios and keeping in mind that the price difference between 29 and VHF is now less than R500 it seems like the perfect opportunity to go for VHF in Gauteng. So let’s see how many names we can get on the list for a group buy.

VHF Group buy list (+/- R2350 includes Radio and Antenna):

1) SuidWes

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:53 pm**

OK, so it does'nt look like we will get a group buy going.... :problem:

If you do decide to purchase a radio FD is the man to speak too

Over and out :arrow:

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:58 pm**

Hi Jaco,

Will still help you at the price mentioned, I have already bought stock and will pass the benefit on. :) We won't sit with the other radios, stock moves fairly well these days, for some reason.

-F_D

Posted: **Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:20 pm**

Thanks Eric, will send you a PM

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:34 pm**

SuidWes wrote:
VHF Group buy list (+/- R2350 includes Radio and Antenna):

1) SuidWes
2) Scorpion

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:17 pm**

And then there where two

Any others

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:11 am**

Here are some of the specifications of the recommended VHF radios:

KENWOOD TK7102

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Frequency Range: 136 - 162MHz; 146 - 174MHz
No. of Channels: 4
Scan: Yes
CTCSS Tones: Yes
Remote Mount: No.
Dimensions (WxHxD): 160 x 43 x 107 mm

VERTEX VX2100

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Frequency Range: 136 - 174MHz
No. of Channels: 8
Scan: Yes
CTCSS Tones: Yes
Remote Mount: No.
Dimensions (WxHxD): 165 x 45 x 155 mm

Both Radios meet or exceed the American MilSpec 810 C,D E for Dust, Vibration/Shock & Temperature.

-F_D

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:52 am**

hentey wrote:We need to cut Eric some slack,he is a very busy man............. You should've told us Eric,we really wasted your time........sorry

Nonsence :!:

Eric loves to tickle his keyboard and hand out advice and goodies

he'll even change your Avator

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:21 am**

Dadz Toy BFI wrote: Nonsence :!:

Eric loves to tickle his keyboard and hand out advice and goodies

he'll even change your Avator

ME????

No, never!

Why would I do that? :roll:

-F_D

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:47 am**

Family_Dog wrote:
Dadz Toy BFI wrote: Nonsence :!:

Eric loves to tickle his keyboard and hand out advice and goodies

he'll even change your Avator

ME????

No, never! Why would I do that? :roll:

-F_D

Change mine - I dare ya!

(And if I don't like I come drive over Hot Dog aka Shorty with Bosbeer...

)

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:47 pm**

Scorpion wrote:
Family_Dog wrote:
Dadz Toy BFI wrote: Nonsence :!:

Eric loves to tickle his keyboard and hand out advice and goodies

he'll even change your Avator

ME????

No, never! Why would I do that? :roll:

-F_D
Change mine - I dare ya! (And if I don't like I come drive over Hot Dog aka Shorty with Bosbeer... )

Scorps, I would never do that. It's impolite!

-F_D

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:16 pm**

FD, do I look like a gay dwarf? :evil: Change it to something decent or Shorty "get's it"...

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:52 pm**

Scorpion wrote:FD, do I look like a gay dwarf? :evil: Change it to something decent or Shorty "get's it"...

Kinda cute, ain't it?

Seeing you asked me so nicely, I searched for a "Bosbeer" image with Google, and that's what came up!

I will now Google for "Bush Bear", let's see what the image brings.

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Oops... now is that what you really want??

:roll:

-F_D

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:01 pm**

This weekend we had some comms again - 4 members and two guides on 29's

Who else is interested

VHF Group buy list (+/- R2350 includes Radio and Antenna):

1) SuidWes
2) Scorpion

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:26 pm**

Family_Dog wrote:
Scorpion wrote:FD, do I look like a gay dwarf? :evil: Change it to something decent or Shorty "get's it"...
Oops... now is that what you really want?? :roll:

-F_D

Those are questions you'll have to ask yourself, Eric... Do you really want Bosbeer to use Shorty as articulation practise? :wth:

Family_Dog wrote:
Kinda cute, ain't it?

-F_D

Do you think Shorty will look cute after Bosbeer cocks his leg on him?

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:28 pm**

SuidWes wrote:This weekend we had some comms again - 4 members and two guides on 29's

Who else is interested

VHF Group buy list (+/- R2350 includes Radio and Antenna):

1) SuidWes
2) Scorpion

Dit was amper net oneway comms gewees :)

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:13 pm**

Cassie, I wonder if your antenna and/or cable & connector is not giving problems? Did you perhaps try the following:

* Swap your microphone with another GX300 for a test
* Swap the radio complete with another one for a test?

Otherwise, you will either have to come visit me or post the radio to me so that we can check it out for you.

-F_D

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