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- Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:25 pm
- Forum: Eastern Cape
- Topic: Baviaans - combined E/C & W/C GTG.
- Replies: 61
- Views: 15803
Re: Baviaans - combined E/C & W/C GTG.
Still keeping a close eye on the thread. Will only be able to commit closer to the time unfortunately.
- Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:04 pm
- Forum: Eastern Cape
- Topic: Baviaans - combined E/C & W/C GTG.
- Replies: 61
- Views: 15803
Re: Baviaans - combined E/C & W/C GTG.
Subscribed as an optimistic Vaalie...
- Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:21 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
Maar nou kort ek original voor bunpers v n datsun!!
En manier om te keer hoe hul hom gaan steel. Ry maar min met hom want hy trek amper te veel aandag na my liking
En manier om te keer hoe hul hom gaan steel. Ry maar min met hom want hy trek amper te veel aandag na my liking
- Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:20 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
Ek was nou baie lank laas op forum maar hopelik nou weer nader... Na amper n jaar se aan en af werk (en BAIE welding rods etc later) is die ou kerel weer n nuwer lewe gegee. Baie bly oor hoe mooi hy gekom het. En daai enjin nog nie eers oopgewees na 38jaar en hoor hoe mooi loop hy nog... Wou net dee...
- Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:18 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
[img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/b4a9ae1d8539f9fa7184292f4ea9633f.jpg[/img] [img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/145dbcc3ad35630d31d3239f25a4ff2e.jpg[/img] [img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170105/370715b3061a4d6e5208d51ce80833f7.jpg[/img] [img]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn....
- Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:03 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Ja mine also seems to work fine. Just need to see if I can load pics...
- Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:51 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Now I nees to figure out how to get the streaming thing going and to get it on the telly... The next minefield it seems. [emoji16] If you have a Smart TV, old laptop or Xbox. Else you can go buy a streaming device like a Roku or Chromecast. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk Thanks. I actually go...
- Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:50 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
I finally bit the bullet and signed a deal with a local wireless wifi supplier. Decided on a 8Mb/s uncapped unshaped package for R599... They are installing on monday. Installation cost is pricey (R2800 once off but then you own the router and equipment). Was so far the best deal i vould find over ...
- Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:28 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Now I nees to figure out how to get the streaming thing going and to get it on the telly... The next minefield it seems. [emoji16]
- Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:26 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
I finally bit the bullet and signed a deal with a local wireless wifi supplier. Decided on a 8Mb/s uncapped unshaped package for R599... They are installing on monday. Installation cost is pricey (R2800 once off but then you own the router and equipment). Was so far the best deal i vould find over a...
- Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:13 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
+1.ChrisF wrote:Thanks Wayne, some valuable and new info in your post.
Thanks
- Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:14 pm
- Forum: Members' Vehicles
- Topic: Ali3n's new ride
- Replies: 14
- Views: 7576
Re: Ali3n's new ride
Baie nice!!!
- Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:39 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Guess it was a matter of time (and very due) before streaming had a real impact on dstv subscribers. Showmax etc will force a relook on dstv side...
If it wasnt for the sport we would have shur down a long time ago.
If it wasnt for the sport we would have shur down a long time ago.
- Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:20 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Wow this sounds high tech... Will need to do a lot more reading to understand this post. But thanks. Ive seen the Kodi name on some apple tvs so will investigate. Tx. I need some seriuos education in these matters. now you know how i feel when you guys talk cars :mocking: I personally think that fi...
- Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:20 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Pieter ek VERSTAAN wat jy sê. Ons spandeer n klein fortuin dat sy speelgoed ordentlik en opvoedkundig is. Ons MAAK tyd om hom te help ontwikkel, ek sal 4:00 ingaan werk toe sodat ek laat middag by die huis kan wees en tyd spandeer met hom. en die drek wat op dstv is het absoluut geen positiewe waar...
- Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:33 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Wow this sounds high tech... Will need to do a lot more reading to understand this post. But thanks. Ive seen the Kodi name on some apple tvs so will investigate. Tx. I need some seriuos education in these matters. now you know how i feel when you guys talk cars :mocking: I personally think that fi...
- Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:21 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Instead of NetFlix or that rubbish DSTV, get Kodi . It's an application that runs on your PC and/or smartphone that serves as a media center. All your downloaded movies/series/music are managed through there. But the biggest joy is the collection of streams you can play. I watched Archer last night...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:59 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
I have done what you have described a couple of years ago. I work from home, thus got a Telkom 4Mb line and an Mweb uncapped bundle (I Pay Mweb line rental, they pay telkom). Service is great. Included is a wifi router. You have to pay the installation costs for Telkom to put the line in your house...
- Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:30 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Re: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
I posted the same on the community forum with some replies. Maybe something there will also help you Chris.
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http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... p?t=253115" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:03 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
- Replies: 86
- Views: 13688
Wifi 4 home. Please help!!!
Hi all, I am now wondering way out of my field and knows very little to nothing about the whole wifi thing etc. But we moved into a new premise and now want to sort out a proper internet supply for the home to curb the data cost on the cell phones. Basically what we want is the following: Need to co...
- Mon May 23, 2016 9:09 pm
- Forum: Gauteng
- Topic: OutdoorX vs Outdoor expo, which one?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 4170
Re: OutdoorX vs Outdoor expo, which one?
Ja it seems like everything is happening on the same weekend. Terrible planning. There the Klipkoppie fees as well in Alberton.
Also still deciding which of the three is worth going to the most...
Also still deciding which of the three is worth going to the most...
- Mon May 09, 2016 2:27 pm
- Forum: Humor
- Topic: Joke of the day
- Replies: 3707
- Views: 951269
- Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:38 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
Jis nou praat jy!! Ekt nooit daaraan gedink nie...Witvos wrote:Gaan doen eers die Bullrun met hom voor jy enige iets verander.
- Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:00 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
- Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:59 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
Vandag bici die kappie afgehaal en oorweeg kwaai om hom tog maar oor te spray en klein roes plekkies uit te sorteer... Bici tlc vd ou man.
- Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:05 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
Baie mooi. Ek het so n ligblou een gehad.Daai 120Y trek eintlik baie lekker.Myne was die later model. Hy lyk nog mooier as die kappie af is Dankie George. Ja ek het die "klap" en seiltjie ok saam gekry en dink self ek gaan die kappie die naweek afhaal en net seiltjie terugsit. Dan kan hy ...
- Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:03 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
O jis nou wil die fotos nie laai nie... Probeer gou weer.
- Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:00 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Re: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
MOOI !!!!!! Pieter DIT is sekerlik met n traan in die oog oorhandig .... Kyk mooi na jou pa se wa. Ja nee Chris daai is waar. Pa is baie erg oor daai bakkie. Hyt seker gemaak ekt geen intensies om dit te verkoop nie. Ek hang al lank aan hom vd bakkie en hy nie meer krag of geld om op dit te spandee...
- Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:01 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 4678
Nou nie n Hilux nie maar ok n legend!
Kyk wat het ek by my pa oorgeneem op kersfees! Vroulief nie so impress maar ek like dit kwaai. Dis amper soos go kart te ry. Geen aircon en enige nuwe fieterjasies. Laat mens sommer weer humble. My meisiekind moan net heeltyd oor waar die aircon is en hoekom raas die bakkie so as ons vinnig ry... En...
- Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:55 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Apple watch owners on forum? Alternative?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1019
Apple watch owners on forum? Alternative?
I am considering buying an apple watch as a from me to me xmas gift... But the price tag is heavy. Who owns one and are they worth the price? Looking at the fitbit and pebble (or garmin) alternatives and they are roughly R2000 cheaper for the same functions??... Or am I wrong. Or is that the price y...
- Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:15 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Luxie se laaste volmaak voor...
- Replies: 0
- Views: 1020
Luxie se laaste volmaak voor...
Sy 20ste bday...
Oppad huistoe die 200k oorgeslaan op my kzte... Dis nou net n naweek en vakansie/ speel Lux.
Oppad huistoe die 200k oorgeslaan op my kzte... Dis nou net n naweek en vakansie/ speel Lux.
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:49 pm
- Forum: Western Cape
- Topic: Daytrip on 16 December?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 6472
Re: Daytrip on 16 December?
Might just be interested!!
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:25 pm
- Forum: Humor
- Topic: Joke of the day
- Replies: 3707
- Views: 951269
Re: Joke of the day
Importance of correct spelling...
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:00 pm
- Forum: Gauteng
- Topic: For those of you stuck in Gauteng during December
- Replies: 21
- Views: 7079
Re: For those of you stuck in Gauteng during December
We are also homebound... Prefer the house over all the busy places. Unfortunately also have to work...will take leave when all the rest comes back
Wont comment on my fishing ability and extreme lack of equipment...
Wont comment on my fishing ability and extreme lack of equipment...
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:56 pm
- Forum: Gauteng
- Topic: Year end @ Serendipity 14 & 15 November (pics added)
- Replies: 149
- Views: 27031
Re: Year end @ Serendipity 14 & 15 November (pics added)
Dammit. Cant believe Ive missed this one. Its very high on my to do list this trial. Awesome pics. So happy tapatalk is working again... The lux have not been out in action for too long now. Sorry to hear, will look at doing the trail next year again, hopefully more water next time. Sounds promisin...
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:50 am
- Forum: Gauteng
- Topic: Year end @ Serendipity 14 & 15 November (pics added)
- Replies: 149
- Views: 27031
Re: Year end @ Serendipity 14 & 15 November (pics added)
Dammit. Cant believe Ive missed this one. Its very high on my to do list this trial. Awesome pics. So happy tapatalk is working again... The lux have not been out in action for too long now.
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:04 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Ja nee kyk ek ok!! Nou kan ek lekker sit en opvang op wat ek gemis het. Dankie.
Ek sien net ek kry nie die notification direk van tapatalk (maar wel die emails). Maar daainkan dalk n setting aan my kant wees. Dis die minste vd worries!!
Ek sien net ek kry nie die notification direk van tapatalk (maar wel die emails). Maar daainkan dalk n setting aan my kant wees. Dis die minste vd worries!!
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:11 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Ja dit lyk so. Kom nog deur...pietpetoors wrote:Werk hy nog, ek het iets verander.
- Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:46 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Woohoo!! Myne werk ok weer op tapatalk!! Dankie almal betrokke.
Happy times!!!
Happy times!!!
- Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:56 pm
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Awesome!!!! Dis beste nuus in lang tyd. Kan nie wag nie. Dankie Pieter!!!!pietpetoors wrote:Ek werk daaraan. Wou dit installeer maar so paar gremlins het gepla, gee so paar dae kans.
- Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:42 pm
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Dammit. Just thought it was good news when I saw activity on this thread. Never get onto the forum anymore but at least get the mails. Miss the chats and all outings now
- Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:12 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Updated pic added to the link above just for completion sake... I did not lie. What a great trip this was once again with Luxie in the sand!!!
- Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:37 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Poster the pic here for those on the other forum as well...
The next time I post this pic.... http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... p?t=229198
The next time I post this pic.... http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... p?t=229198
- Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:29 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Can anyone tell me how to start a new thread without using tapatalk. Been looking through this site via browser but just cant seem to find it... Frustrated with meself!!!!! Anyway all I wanted to say the next time you see this It will be stuck inside Fernando's pub in Ponto do Ouro!! Will be out of ...
- Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:05 pm
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Ek sien nou eers die vorige een was my 999ste post, so ek moes net weer iets post om te sien hoe lyk n 1000... :-)
die post count gaan nou stadig op...
die post count gaan nou stadig op...
- Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:01 pm
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Yeah seems like there is still a small hope for a tapatalk revival...
- Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:20 pm
- Forum: Community Responsibility
- Topic: Challenge aan die Hilux Club en die Forum Lede
- Replies: 31
- Views: 8039
Re: Challenge aan die Hilux Club en die Forum Lede
Dankie!!Mud Dog wrote:P.S. Pieter, ek sien jou R300 betaling is deur.
- Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:43 am
- Forum: Community Responsibility
- Topic: Challenge aan die Hilux Club en die Forum Lede
- Replies: 31
- Views: 8039
Re: Challenge aan die Hilux Club en die Forum Lede
R300 EFT gedoen...
- Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:07 am
- Forum: Community Responsibility
- Topic: Challenge aan die Hilux Club en die Forum Lede
- Replies: 31
- Views: 8039
Re: Challenge aan die Hilux Club en die Forum Lede
Can I still pay some money into the club account?
Since tapatalk stopped I dont get on the forum very often and almost missed this. Anything cancer related is close to our hearts and I will vouch R300 as well if not too late
Since tapatalk stopped I dont get on the forum very often and almost missed this. Anything cancer related is close to our hearts and I will vouch R300 as well if not too late
- Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:27 pm
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Eerlike feedback: Die feit dat ek nie die forum op Tapatalk kan lees nie suig boomgom. Sal maar op 4X4community kuier :frustrated: :thumbdown: Klink my ons beide kan nie gewoond raak an die nie tapatalk weergawe. Moet erken ek loer ok Nou baie min hier in waar met tapatalk ek elke uur ingeloer het....
- Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:48 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: New look!!!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 3471
Re: New look!!!
iphone 6 met kaspersky safe browser of safari...CasKru wrote:Pieter, as ek mag vra watse foon met watter browser gebruik jy? Bv. Galaxy S6 en Chrome
- Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:03 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: New look!!!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 3471
Re: New look!!!
Jis Pieter. Tapatalk is nie op die nuwe weergawe gelaai nie want die nuwe weergawe is geskryf om op alle devices te werk so mens het nie meer Tapatalk nodig nie Dankie Cassie. Jis ek sien ek gaan nog lank sukkel om hieraan gewoond te raak. Gaan nou weer simpel vraag vra. Al my "subscribed thre...
- Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:25 am
- Forum: General Hilux Discussions
- Topic: Tapatalk
- Replies: 68
- Views: 13058
Re: Tapatalk
Oops, only came across this thread after posting on another. So what I gather tapatalk is a no-go for now. A pity for me personally. was hooked on it as I am away from the pc most of the time...
- Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:21 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: New look!!!
- Replies: 22
- Views: 3471
Re: New look!!!
is daar enigiemand wat weet hoekom die forum nie meer op tapatalk werk nie? Ek is nou al te lank verlore want werk meestal vand di foon af en toe is alles skielik stil.
Moet ek iets oordoen? My tegnologiese gestremdheid kom altyd baie sterk deur...
Moet ek iets oordoen? My tegnologiese gestremdheid kom altyd baie sterk deur...
- Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:15 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Happy Father's day
- Replies: 2
- Views: 633
Re: Happy Father's day
Hand made gifts are the best!!
My little monsters (Timieke 5 and Janko 2) made me these .... Definitely with some help from swambo
Fathership is a real blessing!!!
My little monsters (Timieke 5 and Janko 2) made me these .... Definitely with some help from swambo
Fathership is a real blessing!!!
- Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:28 pm
- Forum: Gauteng
- Topic: PIESANG KLOOF 4X4 11th JULY GUATENG GTG ONLY ONE WEEK LEFT
- Replies: 133
- Views: 27624
Re: PIESANG KLOOF 4X4 11th JULY GUATENG GTG
Pieter thanks for keeping it at the top :cooldude: :cooldude: Maybe you should use it as a shake down for your trip. I like the way you think!!! Ekt vandag n blou sfa hilux in rustenburg gesien met "OBelix" nommerplate... Bit of useless info...know its not yours. My BIL is looking at buyi...
- Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:43 pm
- Forum: Gauteng
- Topic: PIESANG KLOOF 4X4 11th JULY GUATENG GTG ONLY ONE WEEK LEFT
- Replies: 133
- Views: 27624
Re: PIESANG KLOOF 4X4 11th JULY GUATENG GTG
Dammit. Can you guys please just stop posting on this thread... You are making it hard to ignore if it keep coming up. We are leaving for a Moz trip VERY close to this date and I cant risk any damage... But jislaaik it is tempting!!
- Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:43 am
- Forum: Members' Vehicles
- Topic: My 1980 Hilux 4x4 RN46 - 20R Gasoline (18R) - "Truls"
- Replies: 17
- Views: 7990
Re: My 1980 Hilux 4x4 RN46 - 20R Gasoline (18R) - "Truls"
Welcome Daniel!! Very nice looking hilux you got there... And it still not scared of the snow. Something we know little about in south africa...
- Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:46 am
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Some days I love my job!!
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1491
Re: Some days I love my job!!
Ha-ha!!! Enige iets kan gepimp word!!!!Ou vale1 wrote:And the Brakpan model .....
- Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:18 pm
- Forum: Open Discussion
- Topic: Some days I love my job!!
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1491
Re: Some days I love my job!!
Die stof is so erg daar dis al wat jy vd bakkie voor jy sein as mens op plekke ry. Maar dis eintlik sodat die groot myn voertuie en backactors etc jou kan sien en nie (nog) een plat ry nie...