Zoom lenses

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:58 am

Do you know the make Tamron lenses - are any good as I know the Sigma's are not bad.

I am looking for a 70 - 300 zoom for my Nikon 3100 and I see Makro sells this lens for R1199.

The same size lense from Nikon cost R 4800 to R5500 depending where you shop.

Secondly, will you go for a 70 - 300 zoom or bigger seen as I already have the Nikon 16-55 (not really a zoom) and a 55 -200mm. Pls indicate the size make and model if you have a suggestion. O ja and price if you know

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:19 am

I know Canon employs image stabilising in the lens itself ... does Nikon have it on the CCD in the body or on the lens as well? A hand held zoom shot can be tricky without IS, especially in poorer light conditions. The Sigma lenses are pretty good ... don't know the Tamron brand at all.

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:29 am

If you have a good quality 55-200 lens, rather buy a 2;1 OR 1.6:1 Nikon converter, it will give better images than a cheap lens.

african dust · Post by **african dust** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:30 am

my experience in lenses is you generally get what you pay for. the tamron 70-300 is not a bad lens at that price but the closer you get to 300 the more the image quality will be compromised. It is fine for happy snaps, but compared to the nikon lens with better optics it will not give the same results. the biggest compromise is light and sharpness. As a general rule the 70-300, unless a top grade lens ( many thousand euro) is always a bit of a compromise.
With most things in life it is a conflict between budget and quality. my 2 cents worth.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:37 am

only Sony has "on camera" image stabilisation. The rest use IS in the lens..

Agree - rather get a converter.

sadly you get what you pay for and 1,2k for a 300mm lens is just too cheap to expect any worth while results. but then, at that price TRY it ... you should be able to take it back if it does not work, just check with Makro if you can take it back.

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:40 am

Thanks for the advice so far - I believe in rather buy the quality product that to have to pay twice.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:41 am

Hoppy wrote:If you have a good quality 55-200 lens, rather buy a 2;1 OR 1.6:1 Nikon converter, it will give better images than a cheap lens.

Agreed. A good 2x tele-converter will give you excellent pics together with your existing lenses ... and it's a fraction of the cost. Additionally it broadens the scope of your existing lenses since you can use it on all of them. Almost a 'must have' for the amateur photographic enthusiast.

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:45 am

can you add a lens to the converter on the Nikon"s?

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:49 am

Yes, nit fits to the body and then the lens onto the converter, but get the Nikon one so that the body can still communicate fully with the lens. As I say, then you can use it with any of your lenses or future lens purchases.

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:05 am

cool and I will contact Orms

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:09 am

Fitting a Tamron lens to a Nikon or Canon is like fitting a Landrover engine into a Hilux.

Post by **pietpetoors** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:19 am

My Tamron lens has an image stabilizer.

It is a very nice lens but I must agree with Matthieu , at the top zoom end you loose a bit of quality and light.
The Tamron was half the price of a Nikon lens but after a couple of months I wonder if I should not have paid the extra couple of bucks for the real Nikon thing.

I have a sigma on my Pentax, in my opinion the Tamron is better than the Sigma

Post by **Bugzy** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:43 am

Ek het een van daai Tamron(170 - 300) lense gekoop in Desember vir my Botswana trip. Die fotos is goed genoeg vir foto album en miskien van hulle nog beter. Dit is beter om Nikon produkte te koop as jy die geld het. As jy nie vir kompetisies wil inskryf nie is die een OK.

vonstar · Post by **vonstar** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:51 pm

You can't go wrong with the "VR" nikon lens. Be careful as there is a huge difference between a normal lens and a "VR" lens. The VR is the image stabalization for Nikon lens's. I paid more for my 18mm - 200mm VR lens than for the camera body itself. Tamron is good and Sigma is good but considered entry level stuff.
Check out this site http://www.kenrockwell.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . Ken has loads of reveiws on all makes and sizes of cameras, lenses. flashes etc.
Hope this helps you.

HennieO · Post by **HennieO** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:40 am

Just make sure that the converter is compatible with your 55-200 VR lens. Most of Nikon's converters can only be used with the fixed aperture f2.8 lenses.

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:05 am

We have some Tamron and Sigma lenses, but we are replacing them one by one with Canon L lenses, i think it's the same as the Nikon VR range.

If i can give good advice; rather save money and buy the right stuff first time.

jacques kotze · Post by **jacques kotze** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:08 am

Agree with Hoppy, get the real deal

Post by **pietpetoors** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:28 am

Niel, hoe haastag is jy?

Post by **pietpetoors** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:38 am

What does ED IF stand for?
See:
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Niel · Post by **Niel** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:52 am

Now the second question 70-300 or bigger zoom be worth wile - predominant use will wildlife pictures the ones that is really a distance away.

Post by **pietpetoors** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:06 pm

I see you get a 80-400 as well, but I know your professional photographers are not very fond of zoom lenses, as you loose light and depth of field the more you zoom, and image quality. But for us normal oukies a zoom works fine

I think Allen's option of a 70-300 zoom with a 2x converters sounds good.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:01 pm

Niel I used a 400mm (70-200 with a 2x converter) in Kgalagadi - handy, BUT I can see why the guys use 600 and 800mm lenses.

The one "pro" used a 300-800mm Sigma on a body with a crop factor of 1,3 ... thus 1040mm reach !! "only" R80k for this lens ....... You must SEE his pictures !! IF he could be bothered, 80% of his pics could make it into any National Geographic publication ! But he refuse to publish any of his stuff ..... (trust fund babies .....)

Dodging · Post by **Dodging** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:16 pm

Problem with 2x converters is that they double your f-stop number. So if you're using the 55-200 with a 2x converter (IF you can get one that fits and works), wide open at 400mm you'll be shooting at F11 or F12. There goes your shutter speed in its dinges.

If you really want that reach of a 300mm now and can't afford the more expensive glass, get the Tamron. You'll always sell it again at a later stage and the knock you'll take will be minimal.

If you want to save up a tad, get the Nikon 70-300 VR (about R5800). Brilliant lens - I have one and I love it. Even wide open it's still sharp. Focus is achieved quickly, quietly and accurately. It is a bit more expensive than the Nikon 55-300, but it is well worth the extra cash.

I'm gonna be getting myself a used Nikon 70-200 f2.8 sometime soon with a 2x converter. Kinda looking at the 80-200 f2.8 as another option too. Even when I have this lens in my bag I doubt that I'd sell the 70-300 VR - it's just so versatile and THAT good

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:23 pm

Thanks Andre, jsut some feedback: The x1.4 converter (Nikons) R 4695, x1.7 (old stock)R 4700. The f-stop is impacted as Andre said. The Nikon AF-S 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED VR Lens is R 5200.

HennieO · Post by **HennieO** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:52 pm

Daar is 'n 70-300 Nikkor lens op gumtree vir R2600. MAAR dit lyk nie vir my dis 'n VR nie........

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:22 pm

Andre and THAT is why you use a 70-200 f2,8 IS L lens with a 2x Mk III converter .... SHARP, fast and you still have AF. :)

LOVELY combo. :) (albeit a "bit" pricey...)

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:10 pm

What is your opinion on the Sigma 150 - 500 zoom?

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:49 pm

Niel I have had one chance to compare the Sigma 150-500 to the 70-200 with 2x converter.

The quality of the Canon lens was markedly better - but then it was suggested that I was moving the Sigma lens while shooting.

both were at dead rest on my hand on the Hilux's mirror ....

Fact is I would have to repeat the exercise using a tripod, and remote trigger to ensure a fair comparison.

Value for money .... R12500 vs almost R 30 000 ......

the other comparison that really is worth doing is the physical size AND weight of these two. try a 7 hour shoot with no tripod ..... days later and my shoulder muscles are still hurting.

but Niel stop playing with the small stuff - get down to ORMS in Bellville. A nice second hand Canon lens for an absolute steal at R43k !! 400mm prime lens f2,8. imagine putting that 2x converter onto this and then onto a 7D = 1280mm at f5,6 ...... (as ek net meer spasie voor in die Hilux gehad het)

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:55 pm

Thanks I hope the ones for Nikon is a bit cheaper

Pitty they do not give you the options to test before you buy

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:01 am

Niel where do you shop ??????

At ORMS you CAN test it - okay only out on the street front, but bring your tripod and TEST it. (and if your HR does a monthly transfer on your behalf to ORMS you get to test stuff off the premises ... well some stuff .....)

Niel maybe it is time I introduce you in person to Lundi at ORMS in Bellville.

PS - they DO have a brand new Sigma 150-500 for the Nikon in stock, box still sealed in plastic. At least they did yesterday .....

PPS - did I mention my office window looks out onto ORMS ? NOT good !!!!!!!

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:09 am

Chris, I visited you in your office so I know how close you are to ORMS

I will definately pop in at ORMS during next week. I bought my other cameras from ORMS in town but I don't know the Bellville one.

My brother does have a Sigma but not the 150 - 500.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:56 pm

Speak to Lundi (black chap) or Fritz (young white chap with glasses and freckles)

I do all my business with Lundi, but sadly he is so popular that often you wait an hour plus to speak to him ....

Fritz is also good, in fact for the software stuff Lundi calls Fritz over to assist me.

What I am finding now is that for flash remotes, shrimps, light stands, back drops etc ORMS cant assist me. Now I am driving between Cameraworld and Studio22 .... neither has everything I want, so now I am buying bits here and bits there .... and this for a guy that spens 8 hours a day within 20m of a camera shop.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:18 pm

update on the SECOND HAND 400mm prime lens - seems at R43k it was on the shelf for only a few days .....

was at ORMS today, first to drop of files to be printed, then to collect it - they are BUSY !!

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:30 pm

Chris ek kyk toe op gumtree om te sien wat die lense voor gaan en loop toe die eenetjie raak
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Dodging · Post by **Dodging** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:01 am

Ek het hierdie naweek 2 lense gehuur. Die een was n 70-200 f2.8 en die ander n 200-400 f4. Daai 200-400 is iets anders... Ek sal egter nooit een koop nie - met R75,000 kan ek baie ander dinge doen

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:54 pm

Niel wrote:Chris ek kyk toe op gumtree om te sien wat die lense voor gaan en loop toe die eenetjie raak
http://capetown-westerncape.gumtree.co. ... Z361674853" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Date Listed 19/04/2012
Last Edited 22/04/2012
Price R 50,000
Address Kenilworth, Cape Town, South Africa
For Sale By Owner
Sigma 800mm lens, 2nd hand never been used. Purchased in December 2011. Includes protective carry bag. Still under warranty. Contact Natasha

I am not Rockefeller I am the other-feller

As sy die 300-800mm gehad het ...... behoort so tussen 30 en 40k te kos TWEEDE hands ....

maar ons kom net te min in die parke om dit te regverdig !

PS - so twee maande terug sien ek n vrou in ORMS. Sy koop toe n 400mm CANON lens, R124k !! "She likes bird photography" (klink net SO verkeerd in Afrikaans...) Toe koop haar man vir haar die lens ....

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:04 pm

wow net R124 k

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:20 pm

die prys is een ding .... die traak my nie agtigte houding "ek kan dit dalk gebruik" het my onder gekry !!

Sy wil "Bird in flight" afneem. HOE di dinges gaan jy so n SWAAR lens rond swaai om "Birds in flight" af te neem !!

maar dan nou weer - jy moet eendag kom sit en kyk watter karre stop by ORMS !! Baie van daai mense betaal meer vir n stel bande as wat ek en jy bereid is om te spandeer aan kameras ..... o-ja, paar MOOI 4x4's wat daar stop ook !!

Post by **george** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:32 pm

Sjoe.Dis groot geld.
En ek sukkel om 9k uit te haal vir 'n 600d + lense :alvarin:

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:27 pm

die ouens maak my bang as hulle sulke geld kan uithaal vir toerusting en soos jy se met so n houding

Post by **Mud Dog** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:35 pm

Chris wrote:PS - so twee maande terug sien ek n vrou in ORMS. Sy koop toe n 400mm CANON lens, R124k !! "She likes bird photography" (klink net SO verkeerd in Afrikaans...) Toe koop haar man vir haar die lens ....

Dit moet vreeslikke klein voels wees wat sy afneem.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:17 pm

george wrote:Sjoe.Dis groot geld.
En ek sukkel om 9k uit te haal vir 'n 600d + lense :alvarin:

nee wat George, ek verloor nie slaap oor wat ander koop nie.

en ek maak nie skuld vir speelgoed nie !

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:18 pm

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vir die wat ietsie langer soek .....

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Mon May 07, 2012 11:26 pm

Chris, kry toe n goeie tweedehanse 30 -700 by ORMS so ek hou more stil daar voor jou kantoor venster

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue May 08, 2012 6:53 am

mooi so. :)

Saterdag het ek bietjie met n fish eye gespeel. MENS dit is nou n interesante speel ding ! Maar darem net te duur vir lens wat mens so min sal gebruik.

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Tue May 08, 2012 7:59 am

Ek is seker n mens kan die lense inbring teen die helfte goedhoper as wat dit in SA verkoop

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:15 pm

Niel wrote:Ek is seker n mens kan die lense inbring teen die helfte goedhoper as wat dit in SA verkoop

en wat sê Pieter ...

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Tue May 08, 2012 2:57 pm

Toe nie, die wins daarop is redelik klein, jy bespaar s 20% as jy dit in Dubai koop, maar dan moet jy dit in die land kry en jy koop hom sonder waarborg.
Ek koop maar op gomboom.

Post by **george** » Tue May 08, 2012 3:38 pm

Ek het met pieter gepraat toe hy in Sjina was en hy het dieselfde gese.Ons pryse is nie te rof nie.

So van die os op die jas.Wil julle manne en manninne wat weet hoe nie 'n lekker fotodag reel nie.Dan wys julle ons noobies hoe om ons tools te gebruik

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Tue May 08, 2012 3:52 pm

nice idee George

Post by **pietpetoors** » Tue May 08, 2012 3:55 pm

Die wins op kamera toersuting in SA is baie klein
Soos Allan sê, jy gaan dalk 20% spaar, courier betaal en 'n produk sonder 'n waarborg he. Plekke soos Nikon gaan nie eers aan jou kamera werk as iets foutgaan nie.

Ek het nou weer pryse gekry vir Nikon 28-300 lens, maar ek moet ten minste 20 lense vat en dan kry ek dit voor courier teen 30% beter as hier.

As jy rondsoek in Suid Afrika gaan jy baie na aan die regte pryse kry
Kyk by http://www.photosa.co.za/camerashop/index.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is so paar winkels wat se pryse nie te slegs is nie

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue May 08, 2012 5:04 pm

George Google bietjie vir Grant Atkinson

Die ou MAG MAAR !!

Hy woon hier in Kuilsrivier, en is beskikbaar vir opleiding. Ek het juis laas by hom die Lightroom kurses gedoen.

Ek sal bietjie met hom gesels oor opleiding - ek en hy gaan juis Donderdag middag n paar fotos neem.

PS - my persoonlike ervaring is dat die tipe opleiding heeltemaal anders is vir elke persoon ! As jy so min soos ek weet en jy begin van scratch af is dit baie beter om n langer kurses by te woon - iets soos wat Shutterbugs aanbied. Vyf aande, versprei oor vyf weke - met huiswerk tussen in. Die huiswerk is NOODSAAKLIK om regtig te LEER/OEFEN. Maar as jy iets weet van fotografie en net n paar uur soek met n spesialis wat jou kan wys hoe om die beste uit jou DSLR te kry kan ek nie aan iemand beter dink as Grant nie.

Een van Grant se fotos - hy is al vir meer as 12 jaar n toergids

Post by **george** » Tue May 08, 2012 5:09 pm

Sjoe dis 'n stunning foto daai

Hoor wat jy se.Ek weet niks en sal like om by julle kers op te steek.Ek is net nie lus om in 'n klas te gaan sit nie :alvarin:

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue May 08, 2012 5:17 pm

George wat se kamera het jy ?

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Tue May 08, 2012 5:45 pm

george wrote:So van die os op die jas.Wil julle manne en manninne wat weet hoe nie 'n lekker fotodag reel nie.Dan wys julle ons noobies hoe om ons tools te gebruik

Ons kan so n dag reel, ek sal met my vrou en anti Val praat, hulle is mos die Canon xperts, ek sal saam gaan met my mik en druk.

My seun wil gaan speel by dirt en dust, miskien kan ons dit sommer saam doen?

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue May 08, 2012 5:54 pm

Ek is in - wil nog altyd vir Val ontmoet.

Juis die wat ek vra wat se kamera George het - ek is ook n Canon man

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Tue May 08, 2012 6:08 pm

Dis reg, die sondag is moedersdag, miskien volgende sondag?

Post by **george** » Tue May 08, 2012 6:11 pm

Jis dit sal great wees.

Chris ek het die canon 600D gekry met sy 3x lense.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue May 08, 2012 6:19 pm

George ek het ook n bietjie elektroniese materiaal vir die 550D.

Bring jou laptop saam as jy belangstel ....

Post by **george** » Tue May 08, 2012 6:36 pm

ChrisF wrote:George ek het ook n bietjie elektroniese materiaal vir die 550D.

Bring jou laptop saam as jy belangstel ....

Ek sal vir ons 'n paar wors rolle organize. Klink al weer lekker